[JoeC1947]

That's why I seldom post anymore. This site has turned mean and you know who you are. Too many jump on the band wagon because there is safety in groups. Proof is there have been many recent posts complaining about this.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by brightspot01

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Although TOTV continues to be a great reference source it's also a place where humiliation, meanness, and even bullying is allowed. Perhaps if we start clicking the "report" button each time we see negative responses then maybe our voices will be heard.

In my opinion the administration does a very good job of monitoring and advising and taking action when and where determined to be needed. I totally disagree with the notion that TOTV is "...a place where humiliation, meanness, and even bullying is allowed."

We all have perceptions/beliefs based on our perspective backgrounds, education, preferences, politics and outlook on life. Mine just happens to be that TOTV like the rest of TV people are not to be categorized using minority specifics to tar the general population.

The tone that has been recently being used to describe the some few deemed unacceptable posts is the same tone and complaints to the previous administration that eventually led to opt in restrictions to access the political forum and eventually led to the closing of that forum for.........the very same behaviors now being described as existing in the general TOTV forum.

Once again, that is just not an accurate representation of the population of TOTV or TV. Life is always, ALWAYS going to have it's few that some will not like. That does not in any way warrant tarnishing the other 90%+ that do it right.

That is my recurring 2 cents on the subject.

btk

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I keep wondering why a small minority of posters that are out of step with the majority continue to get so much play in recent weeks. There will always be some small percentage of participants in almost any quorum that may grate one the wrong way for whatever reason. Add the cloak of anonymity and they can get even more inspired to stir the pot. They are easy to ignore......and in my opinion do not set the tone or tenor of TOTV.

The reality of what is not represented on TOTV or anywhere else where THE FEW on fact DO NOT represent the majority of TV or TOTV. The few will always ONLY be THE FEW no matter where one lives/visits/participates. In my opinion the administration does a very good job of monitoring and advising and taking action when and where determined to be needed. I totally disagree with the notion that TOTV is "...a place where humiliation, meanness, and even bullying is allowed."

We all have perceptions/beliefs based on our perspective backgrounds, education, preferences, politics and outlook on life. Mine just happens to be that TOTV like the rest of TV people are not to be categorized using minority specifics to tar the general population.

Once again, that is just not an accurate representation of the population of TOTV or TV. Life is always, ALWAYS going to have it's few that some will not like. That does not in any way warrant tarnishing the other 90%+ that do it right.

I think that the Admins do a good job of admonishing and disciplining those members "who step out of line". It happens behind the scenes and it's usually not obvious to the other members. I think the Admins are quite cognizant of what is happening on TOTV and act accordingly.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by bonrich

There are times when I read a post and it bothers me, and I hit quick reply, I have learned to let it sit for awhile because once you hit the enter key, it is done and there is no time to take it back.

I rarely hit a quick reply. However, sometimes I quit typing and discard my message because it's negative or not a factual contribution. I wish these message boards had a "draft" function, so we could revise our message a few times before hitting the submit button.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by buzzy

I rarely hit a quick reply. However, sometimes I quit typing and discard my message because it's negative or not a factual contribution. I wish these message boards had a "draft" function, so we could revise our message a few times before hitting the submit button.

There is a "preview post" function so you can review and revise your message prior to submitting. Once your post has been submitted, there is an "edit" button so that you can revise your post. And there is also a "delete" button.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

There is a "preview post" function so you can review and revise your message prior to submitting. Once your post has been submitted, there is an "edit" button so that you can revise your post. And there is also a "delete" button.

Understood. Just desiring a place to park the draft, go take a cold shower, have a few beers, and then finish it.

Tell Fireboy that Ron says hello.

[Outbacker]

Bravo Red!

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Understood. Just desiring a place to park the draft, go take a cold shower, have a few beers, and then finish it. Tell Fireboy that Ron says hello.

Sorry Buzzy, I misunderstood! I didn't realize you wanted a "post and park for later" feature. That would be helpful, and would allow a cooling off period. Which a lot of us could use, on occasion.

Fireboy says Hi -- he sure misses TV and the flying.

[dillywho]

You are the voice of reason and one of the kindest people I have the good fortune to know personally. Some people are just mean, whether on a blog site or in person. That's just life. Not right, but it does exist.

This is supposed to be a support system as well as a forum for differing opinions/experiences/problems, etc. It can be all of these but can be done in a civil manner. None of us is all wrong, but none of us is all right. We have a mixture of it all.

Sometimes, "old" posters on here need to stop and realize that someone may have just signed up for TOTV and does not understand how to find out how everything works. As long as I've been on, I still have to look up the "how to's". If someone brings up a subject that has been discussed in the past, perhaps that person is not a part of the "past". Just redirect them to some of the original posts kindly and most likely they will find their answers.

All of us at some point will probably step on some toes; it happens. When it happens, just make every effort not to do so intentionally.

I still love what my daddy always said: "I never did see a board that didn't have two sides."

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by dillywho

You are the voice of reason and one of the kindest people I have the good fortune to know personally. Some people are just mean, whether on a blog site or in person. That's just life. Not right, but it does exist.

This is supposed to be a support system as well as a forum for differing opinions/experiences/problems, etc. It can be all of these but can be done in a civil manner. None of us is all wrong, but none of us is all right. We have a mixture of it all.

Sometimes, "old" posters on here need to stop and realize that someone may have just signed up for TOTV and does not understand how to find out how everything works. As long as I've been on, I still have to look up the "how to's". If someone brings up a subject that has been discussed in the past, perhaps that person is not a part of the "past". Just redirect them to some of the original posts kindly and most likely they will find their answers.

All of us at some point will probably step on some toes; it happens. When it happens, just make every effort not to do so intentionally.

I still love what my daddy always said: "I never did see a board that didn't have two sides."

Well said, kindly reasoned, gently said. Just as usual.

[travelguy]

Originally Posted by bonrich

There are times when I read a post and it bothers me, and I hit quick reply, I have learned to let it sit for awhile because once you hit the enter key, it is done and there is no time to take it back.

quick reactions to something that may bother us are not a good way to communicate. the internet and fora (the plural of forum is not forums) allows us to be anonymous and so we can rant and rave and act obnoxious without anyone knowing our true identity.

"it is better to be thought of as a fool, then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

[Geewiz]

Originally Posted by eremite06

"Familiarity breeds contempt." This site has become too cliquish among the "regulars."

A real turnoff in my view.

A clique is a self limiting group. As a regular poster, I don't see anyone not encouraging others to participate. There is a great deal of kindness and good information on this board....albeit, you have to step over the occasional troll to get there.

[redwitch]

Thank you all for your responses. It's nice to see that the "good guys" are still around and still care.

Strangely, my issue isn't with the bullies -- they will always be around and there's nothing that can be done. And, yes, the admins do a great job of getting rid of the bullies and trolls when it becomes obvious that someone is in fact a bully or a troll.

My issue is more with the day-to-day members who are snarky (man, I love that word!) to a dumb question (may be dumb to them, but the poster was probably being very sincere); a question that has been asked and answered a bajillion times (either nicely direct them to an old link, answer it for the umpth odd time or just ignore it). I've seen too much of this snarkiness lately. It seems like there is a contest on to see who can make the "wittiest" comment first, usually at the expense of the poster who then feels like a fool and never giving a real answer.

If you really think the post is wrong for some reason (typing in all caps, for example), there's no need to chastise in public, a private message gets to the person and may help a newbie feel valued rather than ridiculed. Folks, be nice! We were all newbies here once upon a time.

[l2ridehd]

Well said Ms Redwitch. We are all guilty of it from time to time and this is a good reminder to always remember that what we write can always be interpreted multiple ways. You might intend something to be funny, but when someone else reads it they think it's being "snarky" or mean or poking fun. And another faux-par we all make is trying to describe something in one sentence. Remember a picture is worth a thousand words. You know you failed when you get 40 more questions.

Like trying to describe how to use a roundabout. Can't be done. However the green signs now in place make it impossible to not understand. Yet people still do go around 270 degrees in the outside lane. Yet someone was able to describe that in just four words. "you can't fix stupid"

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by AutoBike

This thread proves, once again, that people love to see train wrecks. There are 43 posts but 2500 views. WOW!

Hopefully, this isn't being considered a train wreck by those who view it but don't respond. I would consider it a train wreck if people were trying to be cute in replies, not getting the point. Thankfully, I think folks are getting it and, hopefully, it will make a difference for at least a sshort while. Now, if I were more of a sensitive soul, I might take this as a snarky comment. As it is, I just don't get it. Sorry.