[Michael 61]

Add my vote in favor of P&P’s - want to see more constructed.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

They are NOT a small percentage if you compare them to the number of holes available below 44.

"Below 44" is a completely arbitrary measure. Why not compare to the percentage north of 44, or south of the Turnpike or East of Morse?

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by kansasr

Probably because most of us don’t use the reservation system and just call to see if there are openings. When I play the pitch and putt they’re usually quite busy.

Bingo. I've been to the pitch and putts several times. I've booked a pitch and putt through the reservation system exactly one time. Everytime else I've either showed up at the starter shack and walked on to the first available spot or I called the starter shack on very short notice to grab one of the next available spots ahead of time. They're perfect when you find yourself with a 2 hour timeslot that you need to fill.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Anyone can hit a driver and there are multiple people who use them on par 3 exec.

But a short game can take skill, and let’s face it most greens here can be a challenge because who ever placed that pin last night has anger issues.

Plus the walk on a P&P is forced exercise and that may be one of the reasons why they are not as popular. Some find it a challenge to walk from their house to the curb for trash, much less walk small venue

Heck, I have trouble walking from the recliner to the fridge. " Honey, will you carry me?"

[npwalters]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Heck, I have trouble walking from the recliner to the fridge. " Honey, will you carry me?"

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[npwalters]

The reason you are able to "walkup to the P&P" and get on is because they aren't as in demand as executive or championship courses. Why is TV building them? Much lower cost to build and maintain. Less real estate used for amenities and more for houses.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Can anyone tell what exactly the ‘pitch’ part of P&P is?

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by kansasr

Well yeah, since there are no pitch & puts north of 44....compared to all of the holes of golf in The Villages, SMALL PERCENTAGE, 54 out of 747 = 7.2%

Right, but since all the p & p’s are south of 44, shouldn’t the relative comparison be as a % of the holes south of 44? After all, this thread is about why are they building more of them. The relevancy of the question is all about where golf is being constructed, and it isn’t north of 44.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

Bingo. I've been to the pitch and putts several times. I've booked a pitch and putt through the reservation system exactly one time. Everytime else I've either showed up at the starter shack and walked on to the first available spot or I called the starter shack on very short notice to grab one of the next available spots ahead of time. They're perfect when you find yourself with a 2 hour timeslot that you need to fill.

Exactly why they need more executives and less glorified mini golf. Try walking onto an executive this time of the year and finding an open spot.

[Rainger99]

If P&Ps are so great, why aren’t there any of them north of 44? What caused the developer, after 30 years of building only Championship and Executive courses, suddenly decide to build P&Ps? If the demand for P&Ps was that great, they would have converted some executives north of 466A to P&Ps.

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

What caused the developer, after 30 years of building only Championship and Executive courses, suddenly decide to build P&Ps?

My guess they first decided to build a P&P because of the layout of the land.

The land where the Marshview P&P course is located has a lot of beautiful Live Oak trees and The Villages did not want to chop them down. Some genius had an idea to build a short P&P course that winds thru the trees and, in my opinion, it turned out great.

[MrChip72]

Originally Posted by npwalters

The reason you are able to "walkup to the P&P" and get on is because they aren't as in demand as executive or championship courses. Why is TV building them? Much lower cost to build and maintain. Less real estate used for amenities and more for houses.

I live near Richmond and Marsh View P&Ps and they're busy almost everytime that I drive by them on my golf cart. Richmond P&P was obviously built as a buffer from the turnpike and it works. March View P&P is at Cattail rec center and also shares the same location as Lowlands Executive course, Edna's and Hogeye path. Even if some home sites were taken away there still would not be enough room for a properly laid out Executive course there and it wouldn't make any sense when there's already one there.

I've rarely (almost never) had to wait more than 30 minutes to do a walk-on for an executive. Normally much less.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Exactly why they need more executives and less glorified mini golf. Try walking onto an executive this time of the year and finding an open spot.

Haven’t had an issue of finding short notice exec for last 5 years, no matter what month it is.

Find high season has multiple spots especially because colder mornings, keeps many no shows, and those who get to the course 20 minutes early go right to the line.

Usually reason one can’t find a time either system, or call same day is because one only chooses something close, their favorite, or certain levels. Willingness to drive to new areas is key to tee times, besides keeps your game sharper instead of plays the same course.

I play with a small group that will not travel more than 15 minutes and only want to play between certain hours. Shut outs are normal year round for them

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com

Can anyone tell what exactly the ‘pitch’ part of P&P is?

A golf shot that is less than a full swing, but more than a small "chip" is referred to as a "pitch".

It's not a term that is used often in TV golf commentary. However, the "P" club, which in a full set is lofted one club more than a 9-iron is the "Pitching Wedge".

Something in the neighborhood of 40yards down to 10 yards might be referred to as a "pitch". The exact distances are not specific.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Anyone can hit a driver and there are multiple people who use them on par 3 exec.

But a short game can take skill, and let’s face it most greens here can be a challenge because who ever placed that pin last night has anger issues.

Plus the walk on a P&P is forced exercise and that may be one of the reasons why they are not as popular. Some find it a challenge to walk from their house to the curb for trash, much less walk small venue

"The driver is the hardest club in the bag to hit. That's why they let you put it on a peg"-Harvey Penick.