[ithos]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Why is every food group (listed below) so bad in our senior years when we've been eating them all our lives?

Don't preach to me why you think they're bad now, preach to me why they haven't killed most of us yet.

Lunch meat,
Pizza,
White bread,
White rice,
Soda,
Microwave popcorn,
Can soup,
Breakfast Cereal,
Fruit in a Can,
Coffee creamer.

Have you not seen all the threads on TOV for people looking for specialists and best places for surgery? Do you think a healthy population would be asking so many questions about that? The healthcare resources available in TV is a major reason so many people retire here.
How many people over 70 do you know that don't take prescriptions. So chronological age is a very poor metric.

As humans, we are designed to have the same blood pressure at 75 than we do at 20. Cancer, heart disease, diabetes should be rare at almost any age. Odds will increase over time but not that much. In some societies people work out in the fields in their 90s.

And BTW, healthcare costs are 17% of our GDP. That is not a healthy country.

As Americans we eat like crap and rarely exercise to the point of raising our heart rate for an extended period of time. That is why we are the sickest and fattest large population in the history of mankind.

Most Obese Countries in the World | ProCon.org

If you really believe the nonsense you are espousing, find the research to back it up.
PubMed

[FredJacobs]

What doesn't kill you, mutates and tries again!

[KenLee100]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Why is every food group (listed below) so bad in our senior years when we've been eating them all our lives?

Don't preach to me why you think they're bad now, preach to me why they haven't killed most of us yet.

Lunch meat,
Pizza,
White bread,
White rice,
Soda,
Microwave popcorn,
Can soup,
Breakfast Cereal,
Fruit in a Can,
Coffee creamer.

My dentist always asks about the last time I flossed. I always reply, "Check your records, you were here doing it."
"I'm 71 with all my own teeth...don;t worry about it."

[SusanStCatherine]

A 106-year-old was asked by Oprah what her secret to longevity was. She said to not go by her because she smoked and didn't eat any fruit or vegetables. Her brothers were also still alive at 104 and 102.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by SusanStCatherine

A 106-year-old was asked by Oprah what her secret to longevity was. She said to not go by her because she smoked and didn't eat any fruit or vegetables. Her brothers were also still alive at 104 and 102.

Now that's what I call real science!

[ithos]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

While there is no question modern medicine is helpful not everyone is on meds, overweight and stressed out.

As for diet, Warren Buffett breakfasts at McDonald's, drinks several cokes a day, apparently never eats vegetables, is in his early nineties, drives himself to work every weekday, plays bridge in the evenings and retains adequate cognitive function to run BRK.

There is anecdotal and then their is established scientific protocols. We all can cherry pick examples to try and prove our point.

We know that fast food diets is terrible for the average person. For him to brag about eating McDonalds is deplorable. Most people don't have billions of dollars and can afford the the latest and greatest that modern healthcare has to offer to offset our terrible habits. And again, it is called anecdotal. There will always be other factors like genetics.

If he wants to influence people he should release his medical records and tell us the last time he ran a few miles.

[richdell]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Why is every food group (listed below) so bad in our senior years when we've been eating them all our lives?

Don't preach to me why you think they're bad now, preach to me why they haven't killed most of us yet.

Lunch meat,
Pizza,
White bread,
White rice,
Soda,
Microwave popcorn,
Can soup,
Breakfast Cereal,
Fruit in a Can,
Coffee creamer.

Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

[ithos]

Now this is how you use science.

Ornish Lifestyle Medicine

Ornish Lifestyle Medicine is the only scientifically-proven program to reverse heart disease without medication or surgery. The 9-week online program is reimbursed by Medicare, BlueShield of California, and Aetna.

Someone, Anyone, provide an example of a program that allows eating the standard American diet(SAD) that can make these claims and back it up with research based on established protocols.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Why is every food group (listed below) so bad in our senior years when we've been eating them all our lives?

Don't preach to me why you think they're bad now, preach to me why they haven't killed most of us yet.

Lunch meat,
Pizza,
White bread,
White rice,
Soda,
Microwave popcorn,
Can soup,
Breakfast Cereal,
Fruit in a Can,
Coffee creamer.

I play the odds. People who do everything right sometimes die too young. People who do everything wrong sometimes outlive us.

I had an uncle who smoked a pack a day his whole life and lived into his 90's. I had an aunt who was obese her entire life and lived into her 90's. But I would be stupid to follow their example.

I eat healthy most of the time. I exercise daily most of the time. I maintain a healthy weight all of the time. Will it work? Who knows, but I'm going with the odds.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by ithos

There is anecdotal and then their is established scientific protocols. We all can cherry pick examples to try and prove our point.

We know that fast food diets is terrible for the average person. For him to brag about eating McDonalds is deplorable. Most people don't have billions of dollars and can afford the the latest and greatest that modern healthcare has to offer to offset our terrible habits. And again, it is called anecdotal. There will always be other factors like genetics.

If he wants to influence people he should release his medical records and tell us the last time he ran a few miles.

Oh, I left out that Dairy Queen products are part of Warren's diet.

Charlie Munger is now 99, close to 100. I have no idea about what constitutes his diet.

I am not advocating anyone eat junk food, fast food or otherwise unhealthy food. Nor am I advocating an extreme vegetarian or any other trendy so called healthy diet. Humans are omnivorous. We can get by on all sorts of diets. Look at the traditional diets of indigenous hunter gatherer people such as Eskimos and Bushmen.

Inuit cuisine - Wikipedia

San people - Wikipedia

[JMintzer]

I try to abide by Buddy the Elf's diet regime...

"We elves try to stick to the four main food groups: candy, candy canes, candy corns and syrup."

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by richdell

Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.

So said Nietzsche. But HE died at 55--after going completely off his rocker.

It is a good point though; one that I essentially agree with. We live in a society today that seems obsessed with cocooning ourselves against every possible threat, real or (all too often) only imagined, to the point where I think that such an obsession is actually more dangerous in the long run than that which we are obsessing about.

Health care, for me, has been more about keeping me active than keeping me alive. Knee replaced, cataracts removed, etc. In fairness I did have a couple of clots roto-rootered out of my heart and a couple of stents put in but that was back in 2008 and everything has been ticking along fine since then.I figure the more active I am, the healthier I'll be, and nothing has happened yet to dissuade me from that.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Oh, I left out that Dairy Queen products are part of Warren's diet.

Charlie Munger is now 99, close to 100. I have no idea about what constitutes his diet.

I am not advocating anyone eat junk food, fast food or otherwise unhealthy food. Nor am I advocating an extreme vegetarian or any other trendy so called healthy diet. Humans are omnivorous. We can get by on all sorts of diets. Look at the traditional diets of indigenous hunter gatherer people such as Eskimos and Bushmen.

Inuit cuisine - Wikipedia

San people - Wikipedia

Wikipedia?

Who writes the entries?
Anyone can - it's open to all and can be modified and edited by anyone. However, Wikipedia's administrators protect some pages from direct editing if they believe they are regularly subjected to "vandalism" - the addition of abusive language or falsehoods.
Wikipedia editing rules in a nutshell - BBC News

Is there a reason you don't want to use the gold standard of medical research? Yes there are some credible contributions but the threshold for medical research is comparatively very low. Compare that to pubmed:
How to Include a Journal in PMC - PMC

I will reply only to the Inuits.

There is archeologic evidence that Eskimos have a long history of heart disease.
We have also seen that ancient Eskimos, far removed from the stresses of modern technological society, suffered from coronary artery disease, a process that has also been well documented as far back as dynastic Egypt, by both historical and anatomic evidence. This anatomic evidence in Alaska not only confirms the antiquity of arteriosclerotic heart disease but also its occurrence in a preliterate society
that lacks the historical evidence seen in Egypt.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...00043-0014.pdf

The notion that the incidence of ischemic heart disease (IHD) is low among the Inuit subsisting on a traditional marine diet has attained axiomatic status. The scientific evidence for this is weak and rests on early clinical evidence and uncertain mortality statistics. Methods: We reviewed the literature and performed new analyses of the mortality statistics from Greenland, Canada, and Alaska. Findings: The evidence for a low mortality from IHD among the Inuit is fragile and rests on unreliable mortality statistics. Mortality from stroke, however, is higher among the Inuit than among other western populations.
https://www.atherosclerosis-journal....364-7/fulltext

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by ithos

Wikipedia?

Who writes the entries?
Anyone can - it's open to all and can be modified and edited by anyone. However, Wikipedia's administrators protect some pages from direct editing if they believe they are regularly subjected to "vandalism" - the addition of abusive language or falsehoods.
Wikipedia editing rules in a nutshell - BBC News

Is there a reason you don't want to use the gold standard of medical research? Yes there are some credible contributions but the threshold for medical research is comparatively very low. Compare that to pubmed:
How to Include a Journal in PMC - PMC

I will reply only to the Inuits.

There is archeologic evidence that Eskimos have a long history of heart disease.
We have also seen that ancient Eskimos, far removed from the stresses of modern technological society, suffered from coronary artery disease, a process that has also been well documented as far back as dynastic Egypt, by both historical and anatomic evidence. This anatomic evidence in Alaska not only confirms the antiquity of arteriosclerotic heart disease but also its occurrence in a preliterate society
that lacks the historical evidence seen in Egypt.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...00043-0014.pdf

The notion that the incidence of ischemic heart disease (IHD) is low among the Inuit subsisting on a traditional marine diet has attained axiomatic status. The scientific evidence for this is weak and rests on early clinical evidence and uncertain mortality statistics. Methods: We reviewed the literature and performed new analyses of the mortality statistics from Greenland, Canada, and Alaska. Findings: The evidence for a low mortality from IHD among the Inuit is fragile and rests on unreliable mortality statistics. Mortality from stroke, however, is higher among the Inuit than among other western populations.
Just a moment...

I am not claiming the Eskimo diet is healthy, whale blubber? yuk!
All I am saying is humans can survive at least long enough to reproduce on a wide variety of foods. Obviously some foods are healthier than others.

Stress is a huge negative factor weighing on most of us in today's world. Stress kills IMHO.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

I am not claiming the Eskimo diet is healthy, whale blubber? yuk!
All I am saying is humans can survive at least long enough to reproduce on a wide variety of foods. Obviously some foods are healthier than others.

Stress is a huge negative factor weighing on most of us in today's world. Stress kills IMHO.

To be fair, there are PUBMED articles favorable to keto diets but IMO they are very limited in scope. They usually are based on mice studies or cherry picked biomarkers and of short duration.

But I try and keep an open mind. If there is strong, fact based objective evidence contrary to what I believe based on established scientific protocols, then I will respect it.