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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

I brought up the Long Beach traffic circle because your post claimed the very first roundabout (in the country is how I read it) was in MA. I was simply pointing out there was one wayyyy prior to the one in MA that was the first in the nation.

It appears either your post was vague (not clearly stating you meant the first roundabout build in MA) allowed me to misread you were stating the first (very first in the country) roundabout was in MA. I'll go 1/2 your vagueness error plus 1/2 my misread error.

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Traffic circles and roundabouts must have had serious problems while phasing out the horse and buggy period. Mr. Ford’s automation I’m sure created havoc and introduced a mandated one way entrance exit system.

Here in the Villages we have signs, and or painted white lines to clarify lane usage. Entering from the right and exiting from the right are clear, except for the occasional seasonal driver with out of state plates.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by NoMo50

For those who feel challenged by the roundabouts here in The Villages, try driving in France. In France, the laws are a little different, in that cars entering a roundabout have the right of way over vehicles already in the roundabout. Also, for a real adventure, try your hand at the one at the Arc de Triomphe, where 12 roads feed into and out of the roundabout!

That rule has been changed for some time now in France.
Entering gives way to the left, in line with the rest of Europe, or to the right in the UK.

[Danube]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Rotaries in Massachusetts

Wow, LOTS of them. I guess some people don't get out much.

By the way, other readers, rotary, roundabout, and traffic circle all mean the same thing:
Roundabout - Wikipedia

[Danube]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Just that So Cal drivers have been dealing with "round intersections with something in the center that you have to go around " longer then Messychoochits. 😉 That's all.

But that's not true.

[DrHitch]

Not even close....There are many older multi-lane (with striping) in the USA
Oldest Traffic Circle - Historic Towns Of America.

Two lane (or even 3-lane) roundabouts (traffic circles) require you to YIELD or STOP prior to entering the circle. Once inside, watch left and right...Go around again if you miss your turn-out. It's a nice spin!

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The very first Roundabout was installed in MA, about 10-15 years ago. ...vs "Rotaries", which is a completely different animal and you drive them, entirely differently. (A "Rotary" doesn't have solid marked lanes, the ROW is different and it's basically a free for all.)

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by DrHitch

Not even close....There are many older multi-lane (with striping) in the USA
Oldest Traffic Circle - Historic Towns Of America.
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Looks like you misread the poster's intent as well. He apparently meant the oldest traffic circle in Massachusetts, not the oldest one in the country.

Originally Posted by Danube

Wow, LOTS of them. I guess some people don't get out much.

By the way, other readers, rotary, roundabout, and traffic circle all mean the same thing:
Roundabout - Wikipedia

As does "town square" in some places like Gettysburg, PA and Orange, CA.

[d1nod1no]

This conflict would be greatly reduced if there were fewer people. IMHO the roundabouts are way too crowded!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by mraines

I grew up in Jersey and we had roundabouts years ago and never had a problem navigating them.

Just because you never noticed doesn't mean everyone was an instant expert.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Danube

But that's not true.

OK. Whatever! Hardly relevant to the fact that the problems with roundabouts (generically) is not so much that folks don't know how to use them, as the fact that folks drive like self entitled wannabe first and don't give a darn about rules or safety. For them, the other person(s) is always the problem.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

I have a card from the American Autoduelist Association that says "Drive Offensively, the life you save may be your own".

At what cost to others? I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

No one has to give way to anyone in the roundabout, they are designed for continuous flow.
If you have to stop or give way in the roundabout, someone is in the wrong lane.
Entering the roundabout, give way to all lanes to your left, and only enter when both lanes are clear.
Done.

Saw a semi the other day that needed both lanes and part of the center to get to exit 3 for a pick up or delivery. Giving way or yielding is not a sign of weakness. Sometimes it shows intelligence, comprehension and compassion.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Danube

Wow, LOTS of them. I guess some people don't get out much.

By the way, other readers, rotary, roundabout, and traffic circle all mean the same thing:
Roundabout - Wikipedia

That is incorrect. Other then they're both usually "circular and control traffic", they are different animals.

See attached.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

That rule has been changed for some time now in France.
Entering gives way to the left, in line with the rest of Europe, or to the right in the UK.

But, we're not in France. Are wee? 🤔

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

I brought up the Long Beach traffic circle because your post claimed the very first roundabout (in the country is how I read it) was in MA. I was simply pointing out there was one wayyyy prior to the one in MA that was the first in the nation.

It appears either your post was vague (not clearly stating you meant the first roundabout build in MA) allowed me to misread you were stating the first (very first in the country) roundabout was in MA. I'll go 1/2 your vagueness error plus 1/2 my misread error.

I edited it, to make it clearer.

MA was first in a lot of things, but not building roundabouts.

In that department, they were probably behind everyone, other than maybe VT & ME.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I edited it, to make it clearer.

MA was first in a lot of things, but not building roundabouts.

In that department, they were probably behind everyone, other than maybe VT & ME.

Cool, thanks. As far as MA goes, they were the first to land a ship onshore. Think they got a rock there named for it ;-)