[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Yes, I agree. In Paris did something wrong in a huge roundabout & got yelled at (everyone still moving) by a police car that was just like in the English comedies about France. A tiny car & seemingly 15 officers hanging out of the car waving their arms & yelling. We all then exited the roundabout & went our way. They apparently didn't want to pull anyone over, just give a few Gallic yells & arm waves.

But you know it works, I still don't know the infraction, but the reprimand stays with me.

In Italy, just lean on horn is the prescribed method of clearing holdups, whether involved or not!
I love driving in France and Italy, no one really gives a toss about rules.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

In Italy, just lean on horn is the prescribed method of clearing holdups, whether involved or not!
I love driving in France and Italy, no one really gives a toss about rules.

Automotive Anarchy! Just fine ..... as long as you don't have to share the road.
Then again, if there are no "rules", if there should be an incident, no law suits because everyone has the right of way. No fault insurance might do well there. Or not.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star

Virginia might have an issue with that. (Jamestown)

Newfoundland definitely does. (L'Anse aux Meadows ~1000 AD)

Well Newfoundland has Oak Island and its phenomenal pre-Columbus history. However, that is outside the U.S. Virgina's Jamestown... Ummm, where did they go? Croatan? I guess I should have clarified with continuous colonization of the U.S.

[fdpaq0580]

Did the Roman's (shouldn't that be Romen?) have some form of circular intersections? What about the Chinese? Maybe not even a human invention? Saw a nature show where ants were following others in a circle. They called it a "death spiral". But, maybe, it was traffic circle, ant style. How can we be sure?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The very first Roundabout was installed in MA, about 10-15 years ago [Massachusetts installed it's first roundabout, 10-15 years ago]. Up until then, we were one of the only states to have "Rotaries", which is a completely different animal and you drive them, entirely differently. (A "Rotary" doesn't have solid marked lanes, the ROW is different and it's basically a free for all.)

Let's see if I understand.
A "rotary" is a circular intersection without defined lanes and no rules.
A "roundabout" is a circular intersection with lanes and rules that many ignore.
So, is it fair to say that they are the same, but different?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

LOL!

The only time i have gone sideways in my car on a clear dry day was at the Concord Rotary in MA. Came in a bit too hot. . .

But what does drive me crazy is when a rotary inside lane exits the rotary onto the right hand lane of the two lane exit road. . totally cutting off the outside lane making the same exit. . . Then I agree that Massholes don't know how to drive in rotaries

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

LOL!

The only time i have gone sideways in my car on a clear dry day was at the Concord Rotary in MA. Came in a bit too hot. . .

But what does drive me crazy is when a rotary inside lane exits the rotary onto the right hand lane of the two lane exit road. . totally cutting off the outside lane making the same exit. . . Then I agree that Massholes don't know how to drive in rotaries

That has now been changed, since the rotary changed to a Roundabout. I ended up in court, fight a surcharge on the exact situation you mentioned ... I won, but it was a struggle.

Just anecdotally. I once drove an Alfa Romeo Spider around the Concord Rotary, in reverse and clockwise. Seemed like the thing to do, after shutting down the bar at Alphonse's & then HoJo's.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Just anecdotally. I once drove an Alfa Romeo Spider around the Concord Rotary, in reverse and clockwise. Seemed like the thing to do, after shutting down the bar at Alphonse's & then HoJo's.

You're the man! 😵*💫 The insane man. Bet you thought it was awesome at the time, huh? 🙂🫠
If guardian angels do exist, I wonder how many would quit after you pulled other wacky stunts like that?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You're the man! 😵*💫 The insane man. Bet you thought it was awesome at the time, huh? 🙂🫠
If guardian angels do exist, I wonder how many would quit after you pulled other wacky stunts like that?

Luckily for our generation, YouTube and Cell Phone videos didn't exist.

[Billy1]

Originally Posted by jimhoward

Its the right of way ambiguity that causes most of the problems, not lack of driving skill, or wrong-headed learning in Massachusetts.

At any exit the inner lane car could be getting off or going around, as could the outer lane car. The convention that one take the outer lane to go 1/4 or 1/2 way around and the inner lane to go 1/2 or 3/4 way around does not resolve this conflict. Nor do any of the posted driving rules.

And both cars are in the Roundabout.

This conflict would be greatly reduced if people used there directionals, but few do.

Survival makes one quickly learn that if you are in the outer lane you always assume the inner lane is getting off and yield. if fact most learn to not even enter the rotary if there is a car in the inner lane, because he is very likely to get off in front of you at your first exit (you are going to your second exit) and which he is fully entitled to do. But that is most of the few accidents that I have seen....inner lane getting off, outer lane going around.

[RustyandEthel]

In 1994 I drove a scooter across the country with my business partner Harry. The craziest part? It was just to return a woman’s suitcase.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by RustyandEthel

In 1994 I drove a scooter across the country with my business partner Harry. The craziest part? It was just to return a woman’s suitcase.

How many roundabouts did you encounter?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

How many roundabouts did you encounter?

Roundabouts, rotaries, or traffic circles? I hear that they serve sandwiches at the Indiana Rotary Club meetings, so that may be the first choice

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Luckily for our generation, YouTube and Cell Phone videos didn't exist.

Without YouTube and video as proof, folks just figure it never really happened. Like the time I scaled Mt. Everest in my underwear.😉🫠😊

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Roundabouts, rotaries, or traffic circles? I hear that they serve sandwiches at the Indiana Rotary Club meetings, so that may be the first choice

I like sandwiches. What kind are they? 😙😋😛