[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by PhilG

Why didn't you comment to the owner at the time? Now you're just bitching.

It is a dog thread, so "bitching" is appropriate, no?

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by bsloan1960

Yes Another dog post- move onto more stimulating reposts: Leave your horrible dog home! At Brownwood last night there was a Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dog in attendance for the entertainment.

Then, two other Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dogs showed to visit with the first Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dog.

Finally after about 20 people kept turning around and glaring at the owners they finally dragged it out of there. I assume they left not because of the glaring, but because they had enough music for one night.

To YOU- and only to YOU your horribly spoiled, misbehaving dog is a family member. To humans gathering with a large group of other humans your dog is an unwelcome irritation. Leave it home. We don't want your Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dog ruining the night we are having gathering with other humans.

Totally agree. Leave the thing home!! You may think it’s cute and part of your family. To the rest of us, it’s an annoying nuisance. There’s a time and a place for an animal and a large gathering is not the,place

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by MX rider

Dogs don't belong at the squares, restaurants or stores regardless of where the owner lives! Stop assuming everyone loves your dog. Most people don't. And yes I'm a dog owner.

Very very well said. It gets quite annoying tripping over a dog in some stores when they run ahead of the owner who has it on a long leash. You love the dog? Great! Now leave it home because we don’t.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by JGibson

Maybe you're directing your anger at the wrong party.

Does TV allow dogs at the square? If they can ban smoking in the square I’m sure they can ban dogs in the square during entertainment.

You’ll be banging your head against the wall expecting people to practice common sense with their dogs.

So petitioning TV to ban dogs from the square would be a more viable solution. Opposed to nasty glaring and internet venting.

I understand why some people feel that dogs do not belong at the squares. For the most part, exception to bona fide service dogs (not those "emotional support" critters), I agree. Nevertheless dogs at the squares (and also unfortunately in some stores as well) are a part of life in TV, and for the most part are pretty well-behaved. The squares are public property though, NOT owned by The Villages, so non-Villagers have the perfect right to be there.

After some clicking I found that Florida law is all over the place on dogs. For instance Marion County does not require that your dog be on a leash when out and about. Sumter county apparently does. One thing that seems to be in agreement though is that dogs that are unduly disruptive do not belong in public places: if owners of such dogs do not remove their dog they can be held in violation of the law. "Public nuisance animal shall also mean any dog that makes excessive noises that cause unreasonable annoyance, disturbance or discomfort to the neighbors. This includes but is not limited to continued or repeated howling, barking or whining, without provocation, with the exception of dogs housed at animal care establishments. The violation can be witnessed by an officer or documented in at least two (2) affidavits from individuals living or staying in separate residences within one thousand (1,000) feet of the dog's location. The affidavits must contain documentation of the times and dates of such nuisances, and must be documented by an animal control officer who will determine if there is probable cause to believe a violation has occurred".(Chapter 4, Animal Control: Chapter 4-7, Public Nuisance Animals). Additionally, Chapter 4-8 (Dangerous Animals) goes into a lot more detail. anyone who brings a dangerous animal to the squares and the animal injures another person or animal, that owner is going to be in for some significant legal trouble.

In other words, petitioning TV to remove or control dogs would be a fruitless exercise. But there ARE remedies under the law. I frequently see uniformed officers at the squares during performances. Approaching them and asking them to do their jobs, in the case of an obviously disruptive animal, should not be out of the question.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by JGibson

Maybe you're directing your anger at the wrong party.

Does TV allow dogs at the square? If they can ban smoking in the square I’m sure they can ban dogs in the square during entertainment.

You’ll be banging your head against the wall expecting people to practice common sense with their dogs.

So petitioning TV to ban dogs from the square would be a more viable solution. Opposed to nasty glaring and internet venting.

Perhaps you don't understand your neighborhood and how it works?

The Villages does not own the Squares and have no authority to ban anything.

[Jazzman]

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[Salty Dog]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

You see the same thing from time to time at stores. Publix has thankfully banned the practice but it isn't uncommon to see dogs in shopping carts, and a fair number of those, according to their body language, are fearful. You never know what a dog like that is going to do if the "fight or flight" reflex kicks in. A five-pound hairball isn't going to do much damage no matter what, but I've seen a couple of pretty good sized dogs in stores either on leashes or in the cart.

I was at Publix the other day and a women had her toy sized dog with her. No way it was a service dog. She couldn't have missed the no dogs sign she walked by to enter the store. The manager was looking at her, but didn't say a word.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Salty Dog

I was at Publix the other day and a women had her toy sized dog with her. No way it was a service dog. She couldn't have missed the no dogs sign she walked by to enter the store. The manager was looking at her, but didn't say a word.

Yeah. Sort of business as usual. My thought when Publix implemented the "no dogs" policy was that it was implemented because of pressure. But they're not going to go out of their way to alienate people, including dog owners. Villagers, including dog owners, spend a lot of money at Publix, My guess is that had you said something to the manager, he or she would have done something about it, but absent an actual report (with the offending person still in the store) managers just might be encouraged to just look the other way.

[PennyAnn]

I feel exactly the same when I go into a nice restaurant to enjoy a quiet meal....and folks bring in their squealing, crying, obnoxious children who disrupt the whole place and ruin everyone else's meal. If you have one of those kids - please keep them at home. If you are out and they start - please take them home.

[airstreamingypsy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Why do so many folks presume to know what dogs are thinking and what they like or don't like?

The Villages seems to be haven for Dog Whisperers.

I've had 17 dogs, from small (ugh) to the 80 pounder I have now. I feel like I know quite a bit about dogs, and I would bet there's not a dog anywhere it the world who would enjoy being on the squares from 5pm to 9pm.

I bring my dog lots of places, even sometimes to stores where he's welcome...... even though I could bring him to a square... I wouldn't. My present job in life is to keep him safe and happy, he would be neither at the squares......

[airstreamingypsy]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Yeah. Sort of business as usual. My thought when Publix implemented the "no dogs" policy was that it was implemented because of pressure. But they're not going to go out of their way to alienate people, including dog owners. Villagers, including dog owners, spend a lot of money at Publix, My guess is that had you said something to the manager, he or she would have done something about it, but absent an actual report (with the offending person still in the store) managers just might be encouraged to just look the other way.

Manager could have called the police, the woman would have had no idea who did..... even the person who posted could have. Maybe one arrest hits the online "news" and that would be the end of that. No one looks good in a mug shot.

[Tomptomp]

My dog is quiet ,polite, loving,beautiful, gentle, happy, smart, and is entitled to go with me to the squares if I choose to take him.
There are plenty of rules restricting certain behavior in the squares but keeping dogs out is not one of them.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Perhaps you don't understand your neighborhood and how it works?

The Villages does not own the Squares and have no authority to ban anything.

Who does own the squares?

The BCDD, SLCDD, and VCCDD? If so then is the property and roadways of the squares somehow different than the common area and roadways in Villa areas? The CDDs own those and do not treat those as "public property" so if the squares are owned by the CDDs are they also not "public property?" Do the controlling CDDs not have authority to institute any legal bans they choose?

The boards of the BCDD, SLCDD, and VCCDD (and all CDDs) are elected by the property owners in that area. Since these boards encompass commercial areas their boards are elected by the owners of the commercial properties. Since The Villages owns the commercial properties then The Villages elects the boards of the commercial areas. Therefore, couldn't it be said that effectively The Villages owns the squares since they alone elect the members of the boards for the CDDs that own the squares?

If The Villages controls the CDDs and the CDDs own the squares and the entity that owns the squares has the authority to make rules for the property they own then is it too much of a stretch to say The Villages has the authority to ban something at the squares? (saving seats, coolers, tables, vaping,..... dogs)

[sallyg]

Tell us how you really feel. Lol. I agree but not for the same reasons. Dogs should not be exposed to the loud music or the chaos of a congested square. In summer they should not be taken onto the hot pavement. Please, for the dog's sake, leave them at home.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by bsloan1960

Yes Another dog post- move onto more stimulating reposts: Leave your horrible dog home! At Brownwood last night there was a Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dog in attendance for the entertainment.

Then, two other Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dogs showed to visit with the first Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dog.

Finally after about 20 people kept turning around and glaring at the owners they finally dragged it out of there. I assume they left not because of the glaring, but because they had enough music for one night.

To YOU- and only to YOU your horribly spoiled, misbehaving dog is a family member. To humans gathering with a large group of other humans your dog is an unwelcome irritation. Leave it home. We don't want your Loud Yipping, Yapping, Sniveling, Snapping, Barking, Crying, Scratching, Misbehaving, Disruptive Dog ruining the night we are having gathering with other humans.

Just as an aside, i wonder if there were ANY loud, yipping, yapping, sniveling, snapping, scratching HUMANS there also? Maybe after the alcohol took effect?