[JoMar]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The developer is changing it into what THEY think it should be, why is it bad for someone who actually lives here to want to change it into what THEY think it should be? It isn't what it started out - someone decided to change it into what they thought it should be.

And then, when it changed into what the developer thought it should be, he changed his mind and changed the community again. And then his son in law took over, and changed it again. And then his son in law died, and HIS kids changed it again.

Every time it changes, it moves further and further away from what it was ORIGINALLY intended to be.

If you don't have any problem with that, then you really have no argument against anyone else wanting to change it into what THEY think it should be.

Why should you be able to change someone's business into something different when you have no investment in their business? The only thing you spent was the cost of your property. If people would read their covenants and do their research before they buy they would know what they are getting into. The good news is the negativity is the minority view unless of course you believe that all the folks moving here are either ignorant or stupid. The Developers have provided more than an outstanding opportunity for those that are looking for a place to retirement. I've been here 10 years including a rental period.....if you have been here longer then I challenge you to go visit where you came from and see if that place is the same as it was when you left it or has it changed and grown. You might be surprised.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Why should you be able to change someone's business into something different when you have no investment in their business? The only thing you spent was the cost of your property. If people would read their covenants and do their research before they buy they would know what they are getting into. The good news is the negativity is the minority view unless of course you believe that all the folks moving here are either ignorant or stupid. The Developers have provided more than an outstanding opportunity for those that are looking for a place to retirement. I've been here 10 years including a rental period.....if you have been here longer then I challenge you to go visit where you came from and see if that place is the same as it was when you left it or has it changed and grown. You might be surprised.

JM, you just can't help some sad people.
I hope the OJ finds happiness.

[Aloha1]

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Why should you be able to change someone's business into something different when you have no investment in their business? The only thing you spent was the cost of your property. If people would read their covenants and do their research before they buy they would know what they are getting into. The good news is the negativity is the minority view unless of course you believe that all the folks moving here are either ignorant or stupid. The Developers have provided more than an outstanding opportunity for those that are looking for a place to retirement. I've been here 10 years including a rental period.....if you have been here longer then I challenge you to go visit where you came from and see if that place is the same as it was when you left it or has it changed and grown. You might be surprised.

I don't know where YOU come from, but on MY planet, property taxpayers and registered voters have a say in matters when someone petitions their town for a zoning change (the lawsuit by the Developer against Lady Lake because the town doesn't want to change the zoning of the commercial district known as Spanish Springs Town Square).

And - I'm not looking for change. I'm looking to PREVENT change. We moved into a specific thing. Obviously there is room for improvement, but there's no need to make it something else. It's like moving into an apartment building and then the owner of the building says "nope it's a condo now, you have to buy it, or move out." Or if they say "we're opening up the entire first floor into a homeless shelter, but you're still obligated to continue paying rent because you signed a lease." Or if you chose to live in the gated exclusive area of the Villages, and suddenly they buy three of the houses in the area and decide to subdivide it into 20 new townhouses.

You don't want to get it. And that's fine. It's not a big deal because it doesn't affect you. When the change happens "in your back yard" (metaphorically speaking) you might think otherwise.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sorry, but...

no you didn't.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

I only have one complaint about the developer, and that is the use of socialism in place of impact fees. They are/were in bed with the politicians to get government to relax the impact fees.................................

Socialism?
That is pure US Capitalism at its finest!

[dewilson58]

Here we go again and again and again......nonsense examples...

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It's like moving into an apartment building and then the owner of the building says "nope it's a condo now, you have to buy it, or move out."

Or if they say "we're opening up the entire first floor into a homeless shelter, but you're still obligated to continue paying rent because you signed a lease."

Or if you chose to live in the gated exclusive area of the Villages, and suddenly they buy three of the houses in the area and decide to subdivide it into 20 new townhouses.

The space is not an apartment, no one lives there, no one is being required to buy or move. It's empty space being converted. Look around the USA, many places are converting empty commercial space into living spaces.....warehouses, retail stores, schools, offices building. Great way to take dead property and give it life.

Second silly example.....No one is being required to continue paying on a lease without use of property. The proposed use will be the opposite of a homeless shelter.

No one is buying homes and converting to townhouses. No one lives next to the proposed converted property. A land developer wants to continue to develop.

Maybe you can tie in the Man in the Moon somehow.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Laker14

no you didn't.

Sorry. Your time is up!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Laker14

no you didn't.

[Beach Boy]

Originally Posted by Kcwombat

I’m new to TV, having moved here in September. I see frequent references to the developer on these forums, and a lot of them are really negative. I’m really curious as to what the cause of the negativity might be. I don’t know much about the politics of The Villages, but would love to hear (read) what you all think. So far I’m still in my honeymoon stage here. Looking forward to your input, and now, off to golf!

Just ignore all the negativity reguarding the developer, restaurant critics, neighborhood Nellies. They have nothing better to do.
Just enjoy the ride and look for positive people.

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Another posting with no facts.

The average 60 year old makes over $85,000.
The average 60 year old has a net worth over $1,200,000
The "average guy" can still afford The Villages, nothing is ruined.

"Unrest"...............is by a very, very small group of people.
Where in the USA is there not a very, very small group of unhappy people.

Could you please list your sources for the average 60 year old making over $85,000 and the average 60 year old having a net worth of over $1,200,000?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Could you please list your sources for the average 60 year old making over $85,000 and the average 60 year old having a net worth of over $1,200,000?

The closest I could find was for 60-64, the Median HOUSEHOLD retirement income was about $70K and the Mean Household retirement income was about $101K...


* Per the US Census Bureau...

average income 60 year old - Google Search

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Could you please list your sources for the average 60 year old making over $85,000 and the average 60 year old having a net worth of over $1,200,000?

And according to CNBC, the average HOUSEHOLD Net Worth (ages 55-64) is about $1.176 Million...


Here'''s the Average Net Worth of Americans Ages 55 to 64

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

Could you please list your sources for the average 60 year old making over $85,000 and the average 60 year old having a net worth of over $1,200,000?

It was a Google search. Don't have the site saved.

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

And according to CNBC, the average HOUSEHOLD Net Worth (ages 55-64) is about $1.176 Million...


Here'''s the Average Net Worth of Americans Ages 55 to 64

The problem with an “average” is that outliers or numbers that are much lower or higher than the others can throw the average number off and make it an unreliable figure. In the US, income is concentrated at high levels (top 10% for example) and the rest at low and mid levels. These very high income American raise the “average net worth” to a much higher figure than the “average Joe” in America actually has.

A better number where the distribution of incomes is very wide would be the “median” number. This would show that half have more than the median amount and half have less than the median. So in your source they mention that the “average” household net worth of 55-64 year old household is $1.176 Million. Yet the median reported in the same article is much lower and comes in at $212,500. So the median or middle income household in the USA at age 60 has a net worth closer to $212,500 not 1.2 Million. Where there is a wide difference in numbers a median is more accurate than an average. The American in the middle is not a millionaire.