[Rwirish]

Spot on

[noslices1]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

And here is a perfect example of what the previous posters were referring to. This is a GREAT place. Been here 5 years and love it. Walked in with eyes wide open and no regrets. No clue why people move here and immediately want to change TV into what THEY think it should be.

Reminds me of people who leave $hithole countries and move to a place where everyone is happy and then try to change the new place into the place they moved from.

[Dilligas]

Originally Posted by npwalters

I recognize that some folks dislike the developers just because they are wealthy. That is, of course, stupid.

The current generation of "the developers" - the family - have earned disrespect by ignoring the promises made by the previous generation of their family. The plan to build high density apartments at the previous Hacienda country club site is the most egregious example. There have been many comments on that subject if you are interested.

Many residents were promised by Harold Schwartz that their homes would be centered around a country club and they would live that lifestyle for the rest of their life. Granted this promise was made orally and in person but the current family HAS to know it is true. They have chosen to break this promise and have gone to great lengths to make it happen.

I cannot respect any family (or organization) that will willingly break a promise made purely to make a few extra bucks.


BTW, I am a happy resident of TV. Being content does not mean one must be blind to what is happening around them.

We have been here for 10 years and love it because of the vision for a different retirement community. I have never heard any of the developer’s family make any “promises”. In fact they generally don’t announce anything until it is signed sealed and in the works. No good business person would make any “promise”, because they can not control the future. Most of the so called broken promises are just good business decisions. Katie Belles and Hacienda Country Club were closed because of poor management and loss of patron business. The developer generally only owns the property and leases the business. When the property fails, attempts were made to correct, but it continued to fail. Now they are complaining because they don’t want change. Compare TV to Sun City Florida and you will see why we like the developer, hope they continue.

[FromNY]

Almost 19years. People change, place changes. Not the warm friendly community that had soothing landscape and Buffalo. People change places change. Miss the Buffalo. The younger generation of developers are pandering to younger retirement people. They were not privileged to grow up with their grandfather or great-grandfather. They did not know the Buffalo.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Laker14

They are rich and powerful. They got that way by developing a very successful senior living development. They did that by having an idea, or a bunch of ideas, and they made it happen. They made it happen by not letting too many other folks try to tell them what to do, or how to do it. They still don't let many other people tell them what to do, or how to do it.
When it is in their best interests, they'll spread some money around, maybe get some political support for their developments based upon who they know, and who they've supported with political donations. Some people don't like that. Some don't care. Some think that's the American Way, and love it.

At times they were less than totally forthcoming about what their plans were for future development, and their agents spread misinformation about what they called "build-out"...to the point that the term "build-out" is now a joke. Some people are deeply resentful about what they feel was essentially a lie, others don't care. Others love it. They no longer, from what I hear, promote the idea that they are going to ever stop developing. Some people don't like that, some don't care, and others love it.

They do what they do, and are making a good buck doing it. They have never forced anybody to live here. Yet, the people keep coming.
And coming. And coming. Some residents don't like that, some don't care, and some love it.

By George......I think you've got it!

[jjiggers]

Originally Posted by Kcwombat

I’m new to TV, having moved here in September. I see frequent references to the developer on these forums, and a lot of them are really negative. I’m really curious as to what the cause of the negativity might be. I don’t know much about the politics of The Villages, but would love to hear (read) what you all think. So far I’m still in my honeymoon stage here. Looking forward to your input, and now, off to golf!

Most are very happy with what "the developer" has created here, or they wouldn't be here, and are always free to move on! I would be pretty certain that they can get more for their home now than they paid for it, originally.

I think the business plan for this place is brilliant and I am happy for the powers that be to enjoy all the fruits of their labor as they continue to make it possible for more to enjoy its beauty. We have been here 17 years and have never been disappointed . It seems every year, more amenities are added. New walking trails, exercise areas, rec center activities, and golf courses. Just never enough for some. Recently, the bridges took a little longer than they thought, but most of the time, when they say something will happen, it does.
I know there are many complaints about apartments, but the new apartment dwellers in The Lofts, near Brownwood are thrilled to be able to have rental property here, with NO upkeep. Some like that lifestyle , sooo the developer is creating it for them.

There are always those who will complain and blame, any time there is change. Enjoy your honeymoon. We still are!

[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by Kcwombat

I’m new to TV, having moved here in September. I see frequent references to the developer on these forums, and a lot of them are really negative. I’m really curious as to what the cause of the negativity might be. I don’t know much about the politics of The Villages, but would love to hear (read) what you all think. So far I’m still in my honeymoon stage here. Looking forward to your input, and now, off to golf!

Read the villagenews.com TOTV Utube and speak to others, lots of it is well founded. It will not change almost 50 years of the best marketing ever created. The power and influence not just here but the state of Florida is breathtaking.

[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by bagboy

Some are envious. Some are jealous. Some think they can run things better than the developer, but with no investment or risk. Etc.... stay in your honeymoon mode and enjoy the lifestyle.

Wrong there are a lot of valid points by residents. Obviously it’s difficult to be objective.

[Phil D]

We moved here about 16 years ago,what we learned don't get involved with The Politics of the Villages it a great place to live.Play your golf go to the pool go out to eat join one of the thousands of clubs.And ENJOY your self you won't find a better place to live.

[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by Laker14

They are rich and powerful. They got that way by developing a very successful senior living development. They did that by having an idea, or a bunch of ideas, and they made it happen. They made it happen by not letting too many other folks try to tell them what to do, or how to do it. They still don't let many other people tell them what to do, or how to do it.
When it is in their best interests, they'll spread some money around, maybe get some political support for their developments based upon who they know, and who they've supported with political donations. Some people don't like that. Some don't care. Some think that's the American Way, and love it.

At times they were less than totally forthcoming about what their plans were for future development, and their agents spread misinformation about what they called "build-out"...to the point that the term "build-out" is now a joke. Some people are deeply resentful about what they feel was essentially a lie, others don't care. Others love it. They no longer, from what I hear, promote the idea that they are going to ever stop developing. Some people don't like that, some don't care, and others love it.

They do what they do, and are making a good buck doing it. They have never forced anybody to live here. Yet, the people keep coming.
And coming. And coming. Some residents don't like that, some don't care, and some love it.

The villages sales staff have been less than ethical and are very aggressive in getting folks to buy here. Your vote is meaningless in the 3 counties. It’s not enough to keep some of us here and I’m hoping my sale goes through. There is a sense of entitlement here and that’s not who I am. To those who were kind to me the last 2 years i am grateful.

[J1ceasar]

As if Any place won't have issues?
. Sinkholes
To much, to little traffic, dues, people, golf courses, shops etc .

Originally Posted by wisbad1

Cause they got sooo much money. Boo hoo hoo. They took a chance, not us. Don’t like it move to Dell Webb

[KRMACK55]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I think all comments, positive and negative, about the developer are silly. You buy a house and pay the amenity fees. If you don't get your money's worth, then go somewhere else. It's just a contract, like buying a car.

It is much more than that and you know it. Most work a lifetime sell their home in another location, put everything into a new home here. A Home is much more than a car.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by bagboy

Some are envious. Some are jealous. Some think they can run things better than the developer, but with no investment or risk. Etc.... stay in your honeymoon mode and enjoy the lifestyle.

Agree! I taught my daughter to aspire to all she could be. Why demonize success?

[RoadToad]

Originally Posted by KRMACK55

It is much more than that and you know it. Most work a lifetime sell their home in another location, put everything into a new home here. A Home is much more than a car.

The analogy was not a Car to a Home, rather a Contract to a Contract.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Exactly.

And yet there are the constant complainers stating, "Many residents were promised........... ".

Nothing never changes, adapt and enjoy life.

Exactly.

And the great news is for those who didn't read the deed restrictions and don't like them, the resale market is red hot. Never a better time to find their way outta here.