[SHIBUMI]

The Russians are justifying this by saying there are weapons of mass destruction.Sounds all too familiar.....just not right in either case.........

Originally Posted by spd2918

The war is unjustified, of course, but there is more to the story than
what our media is telling us. Zelinsky was installed by the US because the previous guy was courting Russia for trade. Zelinsky is pro western trade.

https://youtu.be/-5y3jEuKoHk

[JanetMM]

Originally Posted by Byte1

True, but that has never stopped ANY president from using our military to support/assist countries that we favor in their conflicts.
What should he do? I'd say that he should NOT be telling Putin that we would do nothing if he invades the Ukraine, to begin with. Second, I would not be telling Putin that we would do nothing to retaliate if Putin uses a nuke in Ukraine. Third, I would proudly assist the Ukraine by not only supplying them with plenty of air power, I would also enforce a NO FLY zone over Ukraine, which would be done with Ukraine's permission. I would ask Ukraine for permission to bomb areas along the inside of their border, which would NOT be violating Russian sovereignty.
Too late, but I would not have endorsed removing the missile defense system that we did when Biden was VP, which would have possibly prevented this from happening.
As a powerful president of the world, I would have used that influence to convince the UN to label Putin as a war criminal and issue a warrant for his apprehension. I would also use that power/influence to convince the UN to shore up Ukraine's defenses and run Russia's military out of the Ukraine.
Like it or not, sometimes a powerful nation such as ours is responsible for assisting smaller countries being preyed upon by larger bullying dictatorships. You do not sit back and watch as a defenseless woman is raped, just because you are scared of a big bully. You do what you can because it is the right thing to do. Russia has been warned and has ignored all warnings. Today, the Ukraine; tomorrow Poland. Today, Russia takes Ukraine; tomorrow China takes Taiwan.

I agree with much of what you say. But keep in mind Russia’s place in the UN. Russia can put an end to just about every activity with the UN by it’s position as a permanent member of the Security Council.

The UN might try to remove Russia from USSR’s past position as Russia is not anywhere near what the USSR was. But as of right now, doing anything about Putin and his murderous pack is just not as easy as we would like.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

Can you also say "North Korea?"

North Korea Conducts 10 Missile Tests as World Focuses on Ukraine
The dictator of the most secretive country in the world, Kim Jong-un, has shown his intention to increase his war power as a clear challenge to the US, taking advantage of the fact that the world has its eyes on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

NK is no threat to us. If they ever present a threat to us, we can take them out with just one of our subs. Just another third world dictator.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Volodymyr Zelenskyy - Wikipedia

He certainly does the Ukraine proud unlike a certain Russian leader and his country and how most of its people will probably look at him if the facts ever surface for them.

Have you seen the Arnold Schwarzenegger video message to the Russian people and soldiers? It was impressively written and delivered. It had great details of Arnold's life and weightlifting idols. If that gets out to the masses in Russia, it could possibly (?) result in Putin being overthrown. I would like to see more famous actors, entertainers, and athletes doing similar things. Tennis player Roger Fererer is giving $500,000 dollars toward a Ukrainian childran's fund.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I agree with most of what you say but my concern is Putin has lots of nukes and presumably controls the button.

I also agree with you that this is a valid worry. I remember when we had the same worry about Cuba. Maybe a dirty operation is called for? Maybe an assassination of Putin is the best thing for the whole world, not just to Ukraine? I agree that we will always have to worry about the bully with the big bomb ready to blow a fuse at any given minute. Just my opinion, but we may have to make a harsh decision before long. And as someone else mentioned this is a great motivation for China to retake Taiwan, due to our confusion on how to handle the other dictator.

[DPWM21]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Yes he’s got cajones where others have bone spurs

Yes. And he probably wouldn’t consider McCain a loser.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

NK is no threat to us. If they ever present a threat to us, we can take them out with just one of our subs. Just another third world dictator.

But he is a big threat to several of our important allies

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

He said...i need ammunition, not a ride. Should quote your hero correctly.

He will be running his butt out of there soon and continue his acting career here.

That is a possible outcome, but very pessimistic. It is just as likely that Zellenskyy will remain in Kyiv until the end of the war. I would give it a 50/50 possibility that Ukraine wins the war either initially or EVENTUALLY. Russia may win initially, but the Ukraine will likely win the occupation that follows. The Russian military looks like a "paper tiger". They are having trouble shooting down even slow-moving drones, which are killing Russian tanks and soldiers. When the US switchblade drones get to Ukraine, there may be many more Russian trucks lying dead by the roadside. Russian military morale is said to be way down. If Russian mothers start having their sons return dead, the war could be over soon. Eventually, people get tired of being lied to and they will revolt against Dictators. That's how our US Democracy began!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by spd2918

The war is unjustified, of course, but there is more to the story than
what our media is telling us. Zelinsky was installed by the US because the previous guy was courting Russia for trade. Zelinsky is pro western trade.

https://youtu.be/-5y3jEuKoHk

And so what, EVEN if true. Western countries represent FREEDOM. And Russia represents the opposite of freedom. It represents killing innocent people in the UK, killing innocent people, and babies in Ukraine - probably the same in Afghanistan and Syria. Russia TRIED to kill American soldiers in Syria. Putin hates all western countries with freedom-loving western people. If he could, the US would be turned into piles of rubble like he is doing in the Ukraine. Here we have as simple of a situation of good vs evil as you will ever see. Putin is a monster like his idol.....Stalin.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DAVES

A man is judged by what he does more than by what he says. I sit here in my safe office typing. Far different with bombs and missals being dropped on you. I firmly support our constitution-avoiding as to many do saying the second amendment. The right to bear arms, the right to self defense. Enter reality. the weapons we are allowed to have are like peashooters against a tank, a mortar, a machine gun, jet fighter, missals, bombs etc etc etc. If, Russia invaded the US? Reality the villages would not be a target. Simply not worth the trouble.

When fighting comes down to the occupation phase of every war, then handguns and rifles become important. Tanks and jet aircraft are not important then - all the battle lines are gone - no more territory to take - no targets for missiles. Remember what the Viet Cong was good at..........they did very much with very little.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

I also agree with you that this is a valid worry. I remember when we had the same worry about Cuba. Maybe a dirty operation is called for? Maybe an assassination of Putin is the best thing for the whole world, not just to Ukraine? I agree that we will always have to worry about the bully with the big bomb ready to blow a fuse at any given minute. Just my opinion, but we may have to make a harsh decision before long. And as someone else mentioned this is a great motivation for China to retake Taiwan, due to our confusion on how to handle the other dictator.

I think there are a lot of issues with this entry.

If you truly want to be paranoid - how do you know Putin doesn't have "the switch" on a dead man's switch, just in case he is assassinated?

I think the US reaction has had the opposite effect on China. The commitment we have made to Ukraine, with no official agreements in place, is historic. And the administration's refusal to back down from the moral high ground has gone a long way towards the US recapturing its world leadership role so casually tossed aside a couple of years ago.
If China has learned one thing, it is not to mess with Tiawan (where we do have hard commitments) during this administration. They will wait for one that is more malleable.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by swilkinson

Proud of President Zylenskyy, ashamed of President Biden.

That is too simplistic logic. Zellenskyy is concerned exclusively for now and the foreseeable future with one thing only......preventing genocide against Ukrainians! Any, any, any patriotic US President of any stripe would have to be concerned about the US, the Ukraine, and the future of the world, as in the whole human race, as in not to be glowing.

[jdulej]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That is too simplistic logic. Zellenskyy is concerned exclusively for now and the foreseeable future with one thing only......preventing genocide against Ukrainians! Any, any, any patriotic US President of any stripe would have to be concerned about the US, the Ukraine, and the future of the world, as in the whole human race, as in not to be glowing.

Well said!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Petersweeney

I’d like to see his bank account statements for the past couple of years before I give him 2 thumbs up. This is Ukrain don’t forget…..

With just a little bit of the use of Google, it can be gleaned that in the UKRAINE, Zellenskyy has been FIGHTING corruption since he was elected. He was elected for that specific purpose. Early in his administration, he removed the protection from being sued that the political class there had enjoyed prior.

[Blackbird45]

Once this is over and it will come to an end one way or another, this country better take a good hard look at what countries stood with us and which did not. Some we support with arms and others with our tax dollars; some we have major business ties with. Also take a good look at some major American companies that refuse to cut ties with Russia and get big American tax breaks year after year.

These are some of the same people that will send your kids off to war, have never served themselves and are only worried about the stock market. Praise the almighty dollar.