[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jswirs

Please re-read and this time comprehend what I wrote. Yes, I agree I was wrong for driving the wrong way in a parking lot, but please note that no one was impacted, again, I was in the wrong. As for the bicycle incident, I was completely within my rights of riding a bike in a street. The woman who chastised me claimed she could not hold onto her dog leash when the dog pulls away to chase me, because she has a balance problem. So maybe she should not have a dog, and not expect others to change their actions to make up for her lack of health.
Sounds to me like you are one of the grumpy people I have mentioned. You can't wait to correct someone whether or not you are impacted. Consider yourself "grumpy!"

I agree that the bike is no big deal, although a bicycle is still a vehicle and should stay to the right (you never know when somebody pulls out of their driveway without looking), the lady with the dog is irrelevant. The parking lot is a different story. Given the drivers in TV, it's a toss up for the most dangerous place to drive----the parking lots, especially the mail stations, or the RBs. In the first post it seemed like you were complaining that you were called out for driving the wrong way. I guess that would make you the grumpy one

Here's the good news: After these posts, I doubt you (and many others) won't be driving the wrong way down a parking aisle, thank you for your public service

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by talleyjm

Same amenities as TV❓ Right. 🤦🏼

I know - pretty silly comment. Nobody has amenities like we do - nobody even comes close!

I want to learn how to golf - Villages won.

I wanted a variety of courses - Villages won.

I didn't want a 4500/year Country Club membership to golf - Villages won.

I wanted live entertainment any night I felt like going out - Villages won.

Now, if someone can come up with an alternative that even comes close, I'd love to hear about it.. Otherwise, forever hold your peace...

[MickeyStevens]

Originally Posted by skarra

Great feedback.

Thank you very much for sharing as it sort of captures some of the same reservations I have.

Plus one to DHDallas comments.

[davephan]

If your snow bird goal also includes stop paying income taxes in your snow belt state, be careful! Your snow belt state might not want you to stop paying the income taxes, even if your are away from your snow belt state for more than six months, plus one day.

For example, in Minnesota, there are 26 “intention” factors. These are things the state could use to force you to continue to pay the state income taxes. The factors include things like where you are registered to vote, churches or club memberships, including gyms, where you register, insure, and store vehicles. The state also has the “right” to know what you told your insurance company.

Your snow belt state might also use tactics like that to try to force you to continue to pay the state income taxes. I’ve heard that New York, California, and New Jersey are the most aggressive for forcing you to pay their state income taxes. I’ve heard that some states also consider when you visit your snow belt state, such as during holidays when families get together! Don’t just assume that being away from your snow belt state six months plus one day, will free you from paying the state income taxes!

[PanamaKim]

Please excuse if this has already been mentioned - I didn’t have time to read through all the replies. Check out the Fenney area and other areas South of Hwy 44. This is the newer area and it is more spread out with walking paths, bicycle paths and 2 great dog parks. This area may be more suitable fo you. In high season it’s “spread out crowded,” if that makes any sense. Lots of walkers, cyclers, nature preserves. Of course, not as much shopping (hardly any yet) and only a few restaurants. Add it to you list - it could be what you are looking for. Congrats on your retirement and keep looking until you find your place!

[Tmarkwald]

Originally Posted by davephan

If your snow bird goal also includes stop paying income taxes in your snow belt state, be careful! Your snow belt state might not want you to stop paying the income taxes, even if your are away from your snow belt state for more than six months, plus one day.

For example, in Minnesota, there are 26 “intention” factors. These are things the state could use to force you to continue to pay the state income taxes. The factors include things like where you are registered to vote, churches or club memberships, including gyms, where you register, insure, and store vehicles. The state also has the “right” to know what you told your insurance company.

Your snow belt state might also use tactics like that to try to force you to continue to pay the state income taxes. I’ve heard that New York, California, and New Jersey are the most aggressive for forcing you to pay their state income taxes. I’ve heard that some states also consider when you visit your snow belt state, such as during holidays when families get together! Don’t just assume that being away from your snow belt state six months plus one day, will free you from paying the state income taxes!

I've also heard that in some cases, if they really want to check, they will look at CC receipts to see where you've been. I pay all cash when in northern states. CC in Florida.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by davephan

If your snow bird goal also includes stop paying income taxes in your snow belt state, be careful! Your snow belt state might not want you to stop paying the income taxes, even if your are away from your snow belt state for more than six months, plus one day.

For example, in Minnesota, there are 26 “intention” factors. These are things the state could use to force you to continue to pay the state income taxes. The factors include things like where you are registered to vote, churches or club memberships, including gyms, where you register, insure, and store vehicles. The state also has the “right” to know what you told your insurance company.

Your snow belt state might also use tactics like that to try to force you to continue to pay the state income taxes. I’ve heard that New York, California, and New Jersey are the most aggressive for forcing you to pay their state income taxes. I’ve heard that some states also consider when you visit your snow belt state, such as during holidays when families get together! Don’t just assume that being away from your snow belt state six months plus one day, will free you from paying the state income taxes!

It seems that if you changed your residency to Florida that they would have no power to force you to pay income tax.

Another option might be to sell the house up north and rent something for the months that you want to be up there.

[jerseyjoy]

We lived between 466A and Brownwood for two years. Anxiety about the crowds runs from November until April. Left turning out of our street was almost impossible in the winter. Going to the mail station had to be planned because of the volume of cars and golf carts with their “unusual” driving moves. Salon appointments need to be booked three months in advance. Same with doctors. I tried to change my dental cleaning appointment and had to wait 6 more months. Restaurant seating was always a wait, and take out food could take two to three hours. Trips to the car wash have to be “timed”, too. Need to put your pets in a kennel during the holidays? Book that a year in advance. If you’re willing to jockey for position five or six months a year, it’s a beautiful place to live.

[davephan]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

It seems that if you changed your residency to Florida that they would have no power to force you to pay income tax.

Another option might be to sell the house up north and rent something for the months that you want to be up there.

Changing your state residency isn’t always enough. Filing the declaration of domicile document could be helpful, but may not be enough. Be sure to cancel your voter registration in the snow belt state too.

The states that aggressively try to force you to continue to pay the state income taxes, try to figure out your “intention”, and they are motivated to not lose their state’s income tax revenue.

Renting a home in the snow belt state could be an option. But then you have to move and store your stuff! That could be a huge hassle, unless you travel very light to the snow belt state. It won’t be cheap to rent a vacation home for months, during the peak vacation time in the snow belt state.

There’s simply a lot of extra costs for being a snow bird that you have to accept, like mail forwarding, maintaining two homes a thousand miles apart, and maybe being forced to pay the state income taxes, if you’re not careful.

We considered being snow birds, but decided to move to Florida, and cut our relationship to Minnesota. We still have in laws in Minnesota, so we can stay with them, and don’t have to own or rent property in Minnesota.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by jerseyjoy

We lived between 466A and Brownwood for two years. Anxiety about the crowds runs from November until April. Left turning out of our street was almost impossible in the winter. Going to the mail station had to be planned because of the volume of cars and golf carts with their “unusual” driving moves. Salon appointments need to be booked three months in advance. Same with doctors. I tried to change my dental cleaning appointment and had to wait 6 more months. Restaurant seating was always a wait, and take out food could take two to three hours. Trips to the car wash have to be “timed”, too. Need to put your pets in a kennel during the holidays? Book that a year in advance. If you’re willing to jockey for position five or six months a year, it’s a beautiful place to live.

So where did you move to that solved all your problems??

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by jswirs

I've lived in TV for over a year and recently moved to Stone Crest, which is just across the road from TV. Many stores are within 5 minutes of Stone Crest by golf cart, and TV is also accessible by golf cart. There are not as many amenities in Stone Crest, but there are also not as many people here, so, less crowds, more space between houses, less people along with more value per housing dollar.
With all the amenities available, I enjoyed my time in TV, but what I disliked most was grumpy old men and women who can't wait to correct or chastise others for something they may see someone doing "wrong", whether they are impacted by that action, or not. I have had this happen to me many times, sometimes I was guilty of some minor incident (like going the wrong way in a parking lot and was yelled at), and sometimes I was innocent, yet I was chastised because my actions somehow upset someone else, (like riding my bicycle in the middle of a small street and having a neighbor's dog pull away from it's owner, and chase me). I have my own thoughts of why people are grumpy, but one thing I know that is a causative factor is the crowded conditions in TV. It's really simple, the more people there are in a given area, the more problems occur. So, TV is definitely not America's Friendlies Home Town. TV is like any other retirement community, you will find many grumpy old folks, but you will also find many friendly, happy folks. For me, I prefer Stone Crest, but each to their own.

Could you send a check to help support the golf cart path maintenance cost?
You left but sneak back in......
Hard to believe there is not one grumpy old man or woman in stonecrest.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald

I've also heard that in some cases, if they really want to check, they will look at CC receipts to see where you've been. I pay all cash when in northern states. CC in Florida.

If you play by the rules it is highly unlikely you will have a problem. No tricks you think up will beat the system nowadays. Big brother knows where you are - cash is not the answer. Example do you own a cell phone - big brother knows where you are and been. Have a car equipped with GPS ? Guess what. Do you even know you have a car equipped with GPS ? Those roadside assistance buttons work off GPS. Second house? Did the utility bills fluctuate and correspond to where you claimed you were. A tip for you - states communicate with each other when changes of residency occurs. Number one trigger claiming the equivalent of a homestead deduction in two states.

[aallbrand]

Try Del Web in Lutz Fl about 15 miles from Tampa . It is a retirement community and you are close enough to Tampa and all it has to offer. The villages has seen its better day in my opinion . It has become to political in my opinion .Keep in mind that TV community played a big part in electing the last guy in the White House. Not something I am proud of .

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jerseyjoy

We lived between 466A and Brownwood for two years. Anxiety about the crowds runs from November until April. Left turning out of our street was almost impossible in the winter. Going to the mail station had to be planned because of the volume of cars and golf carts with their “unusual” driving moves. Salon appointments need to be booked three months in advance. Same with doctors. I tried to change my dental cleaning appointment and had to wait 6 more months. Restaurant seating was always a wait, and take out food could take two to three hours. Trips to the car wash have to be “timed”, too. Need to put your pets in a kennel during the holidays? Book that a year in advance. If you’re willing to jockey for position five or six months a year, it’s a beautiful place to live.

Sorry, but I have to call BS on this post. A grain of truth and a ton of exaggeration. I've lived between 466A and Brownwood for the last 7 years. On a few occasions I've had to wait a minute to make a left turn off Warnock onto Hillsborough, and that is one of the busiest turns you're likely to see in the area. (Caroline Pl onto Pinellas would be the other). You can pick up your mail anytime, obviously some times are busier than others but no time is unmanageable. Besides, unless you're in a hurry to get your electric bill, what's the rush? Everyplace has a wait to see a doctor, dentist, hairdresser----but it is NOT 6 months. Never waited more than 40 minutes for takeout, so I arrive to pick it up at the time they stated. There are too few "good" carwashes, so there can be a wait at Atlantis, but there are small single car bay automatic car washes that you can get at a discount when you but 10 gallons of gas. And I've had a dog all the time I've lived here, the most popular kennel, Villages Pet Spa, starts taking Christmas reservations in July and is full by mid August, but has cancellations.

Basically, life here in the winter months is no different than Long Island all year round, with MUCH less traffic and MUCH less cold weather

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by aallbrand

Try Del Web in Lutz Fl about 15 miles from Tampa . It is a retirement community and you are close enough to Tampa and all it has to offer. The villages has seen its better day in my opinion . It has become to political in my opinion .Keep in mind that TV community played a big part in electing the last guy in the White House. Not something I am proud of .

Sounds like you are the one making it political. Let's see-----maybe 50,000 people in TV voted in 2016 (although I doubt it was that high), and lets say they broke 3:1 for "the last guy", 37,500 to 12,500 or 25,000 to the plus. Yep, that's a "BIG" difference in an election where the winner got 60 million votes

PS: Just about everything you need in life at Del Webb Lutz you have to get in your car and drive to