[outlaw]

Originally Posted by blueash

This was terrorism inspired by the particular sect of Islam he adhered to, inspired by hatred of LGBT that is also shared by fundamentalists in other faiths. With multiple targets available including US government targets as he apparently was employed by a security agency, he went out of his way, left his community to find an LGBT target. So yes, this was fundamentalist terrorism, but the target was one that has also been targeted by far too many other faiths and even politicians. My opinion, the response to this type of attempt to terrorize us is to refuse to be terrorized, to continue our lives, to not be afraid to go to movies or travel or go to gay clubs.

For a story on a slaughter at a gay institution and our churches' response, for the sake of historical accuracy..
Gay Weddings and 32 Funerals: Remembering the UpStairs Lounge Fire Our mainline institutions do not have clean hands. None of that of course excuses or justifies this slaughter. As our country liberalizes, hopefully the hate so tolerated just a few years ago is being shoved into the closet.

You don't get it. We are bringing these people into our country. Good luck with that.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

i want to make myself clear, i am not uncaring at all. This is a horrific event. This is a very important story, i am so sad for everyone involved.

It is not the story, it is the media frenzy...

My point is in 2 hours of the same coverage on all channels; i get 5 minutes of information... Over and over and over....

I could watch the lpga final round and then check in every hour.... And still care and pray...

lpga?

[Marathon Man]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

I want to make myself clear, I am not uncaring at all. This is a horrific event. This is a very important story, I am so sad for everyone involved.

It is not the story, it is the media frenzy... they do this every time....

My point is in 2 hours of the SAME coverage ON ALL CHANNELS; I get 5 minutes of information... over and over and over....

I could watch the LPGA final round and then check in every hour.... and still care and pray...

Right. Sad. And no golf.

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

Right. Sad. And no golf.

Right... and it is not that golf is more important than this event, I would never think that...

It is that every channel, same news, in a loop with different panel 'experts' telling is what to think...

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

Right... and it is not that golf is more important than this event, I would never think that...

It is that every channel, same news, in a loop with different panel 'experts' telling is what to think...

The golf seems to be on another channel. Click around.

[Walt.]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

Every channel, same story, same video, blah blah blah.... I would like to see the final round of the PGA tournament, I would like to see the final round of the LPGA major.... NO can do, NO WAY; we in the media need to make a name for ourselves...

I wish to reiterate, my rant is against the media frenzy, I am so saddened for the people affected by this horrific act, but it does not need to be on every channel IMO

You're right of course. This has been a trend for a few years now. Just about a week ago there was a murder-suicide in California that resulted in continuous rehashing of the 2 minutes of actual content for hours. No news value at all.
Do we really need to know what so-and-so Tweeted?

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The golf seems to be on another channel. Click around.

Tal, I do not wish this thread to turn into 'Alan needs golf', but I do not think any golf is on except the golf channel (senior tour). The PGA and LPGA are not on that I can find.

if you look at the channel that the LPGA should be on there is a video that I saw at 8:30 this AM .

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Head in sand.

No. Not really. I have met a lot of Muslims from different countries. My closest friend Mahmood Jergis Mohammad in library school at the University of Denver did become radicalized by the Iran-Iraq War. And his brother was far up in Saddam Hussein's army. I knew him at the University of Denver along with a small group of Muslims/Arabs. He was a librarian at the University of Mosul. The last I checked he was still there.

Could he have done something like this killer in Orlando? Maybe, given his extremism created by his circumstances.

This was in 1983-1984 that I knew him and his letters to me in Scottsdale and Belmont then in Minneapolis got more and more radicalized. We broke off all communication around 1986.

There are many non-radicalized very good and non-violent Muslims in the United States.

You need these people to STOP the terrorism from happening here as they are the ones who know what is going on in their communities. It is STUPID to alienate people you want to help you out with preventing future actions like the one in Orlando last night.

ISIS has had control of the University of Mosul for more than a year from what I gather. So, I suppose my former friend Mahmood is either dead or joined them. They murder people who do not share their extremely radical beliefs.

I do not see ISIS as a religious organization but as a group of zealot fascists bending a religion to serve their own evil agenda much like the Nazis or Mussolini's Italian followers bent Christianity to serve their own goals. Religion in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[bimmertl]

Originally Posted by Marathon Man

Right. Sad. And no golf.

Golf in rain delay all PM. Supposed to start again at 5PM Eastern.

Go toPGA website. Should be able to get live stream if and when it starts up again.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ajbrown

Tal, I do not wish this thread to turn into 'Alan needs golf', but I do not think any golf is on except the golf channel (senior tour). The PGA and LPGA are not on that I can find.

if you look at the channel that the LPGA should be on there is a video that I saw at 8:30 this AM .

The FedEx St. Jude Classic is on WKMGDT2. Channel 7 on Prism CenturyLink. It is pre-empting Miami Vice. It is CBS.

FedEx St. Jude Classic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[LyndaS]

Originally Posted by Spinning3

This tragedy is not the time for a debate about the media. This is a time to stand with our LGBT brothers and sisters and pray for the deceased and injured.

Spinning3, Thank you so much!!! I live in The Villages and am a member of the LGBT community. I was heart-broken that my Villages family seemed more concerned about the media and not being able to watch their regular programming than this tragic evil act. I thank others who have also had comforting remarks but yours' specifically spoke to what my heart was feeling.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by LyndaS

Spinning3, Thank you so much!!! I live in The Villages and am a member of the LGBT community. I was heart-broken that my Villages family seemed more concerned about the media and not being able to watch their regular programming than this tragic evil act. I thank others who have also had comforting remarks but yours' specifically spoke to what my heart was feeling.

I hope you saw mine on Facebook. Hugs and love.

[LyndaS]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I hope you saw mine on Facebook. Hugs and love.

Hi Gracie, You know you are one of my favorite people! Yes, I saw your post on facebook. thank you! Love to you and your family.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

the real moral is we must keep automatic guns off the open market

I wondered who would be the first to cry about that. Only the criminals and terrorists will have these guns if banned; is that what YOU really want?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

No. Not really. I have met a lot of Muslims from different countries. My closest friend Mahmood Jergis Mohammad in library school at the University of Denver did become radicalized by the Iran-Iraq War. And his brother was far up in Saddam Hussein's army. I knew him at the University of Denver along with a small group of Muslims/Arabs. He was a librarian at the University of Mosul. The last I checked he was still there.

Could he have done something like this killer in Orlando? Maybe, given his extremism created by his circumstances.

This was in 1983-1984 that I knew him and his letters to me in Scottsdale and Belmont then in Minneapolis got more and more radicalized. We broke off all communication around 1986.

There are many non-radicalized very good and non-violent Muslims in the United States.

You need these people to STOP the terrorism from happening here as they are the ones who know what is going on in their communities. It is STUPID to alienate people you want to help you out with preventing future actions like the one in Orlando last night.

ISIS has had control of the University of Mosul for more than a year from what I gather. So, I suppose my former friend Mahmood is either dead or joined them. They murder people who do not share their extremely radical beliefs.

I do not see ISIS as a religious organization but as a group of zealot fascists bending a religion to serve their own evil agenda much like the Nazis or Mussolini's Italian followers bent Christianity to serve their own goals. Religion in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your own experience has your best friend becoming a radicalized muslim, and you still keep your eyes closed to the obvious. You blame his radicalization on his "circumstances". Unbelievable. Why is it almost none of these "good" muslims ever step forward to denounce these attacks or turn in their neighborhood radicals?