[Abby10]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

[*]...continued to conceal negative elements to those signing up until after they signed up. i.e my son was fit to be tied to find out that the deductible on the policy he got from CA's ACA setup (Covered CA) was concealed from him beforehand. It was $4000, an outrageous amount for anybody let alone people that were supposed to allegedly be helped because they couldn't afford to get insurance in the first place. I also have reason to believe that there are even higher deductibles, but didn't see actual figures to say how much higher.[/LIST]

Skyguy, you make a very good point here. This is one of the biggest problems I see with this system. Many of the enrollees (like the entrepreneurs that I mentioned in an earlier post) are younger men and women. They signed onto ACA thinking that they will get a better deal and instead end up with these astronomical deductibles. Actually, most that I have spoken to said they are more like $6000 and up. Therefore, because they are relatively healthy, they pay premiums every month, but derive no benefit from it because more than likely they will never utilize services beyond their deductible. They would have been better off to keep their former plan, if only it was allowed. NOW, for those with pre-existing conditions like Chi-Town mentioned in a previous post, ACA was certainly a positive and I am happy for those people who have benefited from that. But that could have been achieved without hurting so many others in the process.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Now that it is law...... Now that it is effect for 6 million Americans...... Now that appeal would be horrible......

Let's put our heads together and make it work for everyone without kicking these 6 million Americans to the curb.

PLEASE.......

Can you explain why that was not done in the beginning ? Can you explain why that is important at this date but was not then ? Can you explain the secrecy of the drafting of this legislation ? Can you explain, when votes needed to be "bought" there was not thought put into maybe "fixing" it then ? Can you explain why the voting rules in the senate needed to be changed to have it passed and that did not turn on a lightbulb to have it fixed then ?

Can you explain the many untruths told to get this bill passed ? Can you explain the attitude of "goodness" projected about this bill when the untruths and distortions were used to get it passed ?

Can you explain why proposals put forth prior to this to not "kick 6 million americans to the curb" were ignored in ANY of the discussions even though they addressed that.....going back to the prior administration ?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Again, the poll I was speaking of was the 2012 election where the choice between repealing the ACA and keeping it could not have been clearer, and the voters spoke loud and clear that they did not want it repealed.

It appears from this recent Pew Poll that a good many people have changed their minds since then.


USA TODAY/Pew poll: Health care law faces difficult future

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by chachacha

i don't believe the federal govt has the constitutional right to force citizens to purchase anything....they only got this passed by calling it a TAX! if you don't care that your rights are being eroded by big govt, by all means celebrate the humanity! but humanity has been cared for by churches and charity for generations, with the best medical care in the world, without the intrusion of taxes and fees and wealth distribution.

The case went before the US Supreme Court and the Chief Justice (a GW Bush appointee) decided the personal mandate was a tax and therefore was constitutional.

[DONKEY10]

Yeah so we change the whole system for 6 million people. It is destined to fail the affordable care act.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It appears from this recent Pew Poll that a good many people have changed their minds since then.


USA TODAY/Pew poll: Health care law faces difficult future

Too bad there are no do overs in our election laws. The train has left the station. The next opportunity won't come until November 2016.

BTW: The White House just announced enrollments hit 7.041 million before midnight last night, and that doesn't count people enrolled yesterday on state exchanges.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DONKEY10

Yeah so we change the whole system for 6 million people. It is destined to fail the affordable care act.

I think the "system" needed to be changed. I think that EVERYONE in Washington thought the system needed to be changed.

BUT...to call a secretive, manipulative, politically backed only, law to pass in the name of being "humanatarian" is simply in humane. This bill will occupy and tie us up for so many years...decades. And we knew it...we knew exactly what we did..yet we did it. That is not humane. THAT is politics

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Again, the poll I was speaking of was the 2012 election where the choice between repealing the ACA and keeping it could not have been clearer, and the voters spoke loud and clear that they did not want it repealed.

The voters were lied to time and time again. The bill has been unilaterally changed with exemptions and extensions to certain select groups favorable to PBO.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Too bad there are no do overs in our election laws. The train has left the station. The next opportunity won't come until November 2016.

BTW: The White House just announced enrollments hit 7.041 million before midnight last night, and that doesn't count people enrolled yesterday on state exchanges.

And the attitude expressed here is HOW this bill got passed. We will get the votes....we won and you are not involved in this conversation as the door closes on discussion.

I suppose some think this is good for our country...I don't but that is just my opinion.

[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by Abby10

Skyguy, you make a very good point here. This is one of the biggest problems I see with this system. Many of the enrollees (like the entrepreneurs that I mentioned in an earlier post) are younger men and women. They signed onto ACA thinking that they will get a better deal and instead end up with these astronomical deductibles. Actually, most that I have spoken to said they are more like $6000 and up. Therefore, because they are relatively healthy, they pay premiums every month, but derive no benefit from it because more than likely they will never utilize services beyond their deductible. They would have been better off to keep their former plan, if only it was allowed. NOW, for those with pre-existing conditions like Chi-Town mentioned in a previous post, ACA was certainly a positive and I am happy for those people who have benefited from that. But that could have been achieved without hurting so many others in the process.

I was going to refrain from this thread but i have to weigh in in support of the above. My young adult children both lost their very affordable insurance because it didn't have "sufficient" pharmaceutical coverage and to enroll in ACA it would double their premium and double their deductible. We ended up with more expensive insurance which will work for a year while we come up with a new plan based upon where ACA is then.
I agree there is a need to cover those who are not able to obtain coverage but the ACA plan is simply not well thought out. I also agree that if the only way you could get the votes to pass a law is to lie to the American people and undoubtedly many in the congress, something is terribly wrong.

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Too bad there are no do overs in our election laws. The train has left the station. The next opportunity won't come until November 2016.

BTW: The White House just announced enrollments hit 7.041 million before midnight last night, and that doesn't count people enrolled yesterday on state exchanges.

Most who "enrolled" we're checking the opt box out but still considered in this number.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

It's a nice idea, but not when it kills jobs and the premise this nation was founded on: Self-Employed, Sole Proprietor, Business Owner.

Watch this and tell us how these results are helping people to stay in the workforce and earning enough to pay the taxes, SS and medicare taxes to pay for everything being hot-wired in by the glad-handing clowns in Washington:

Small business employees react to life changes necessitated by Affordable Care Act | Health - WTAE Home

Happening all over the country (outside the bubble). My employees experienced this, my children have experienced this and they are stuck with $17,000,000,000,000 national debt.

[Indydealmaker]

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Originally Posted by Irishmen

April Fools! Good one think ing Obamacare has something to do with healthcare.

:1rotfl

[Indydealmaker]

I am one of those that got my insurance cancelled not once, but twice. Now it is costing 57% more than before I found coverage that will meet the ACA standards. The policy is NOT superior to my old coverage. In fact I will pay up to 15 times more for 7 of my drugs.

The concept behind the Affordable Care Act was the only good part.

The execution was abominable.

The economics were infeasable.

The fact that it was passed by a congress that did not read it is irrational and reeks of malfeasance.

Theoretically, the best part of the ACA was the pre-existing condition portion. However, the only insureds that can take advantage of that are the poor who will not have to pay anyway or the wealthy that can afford the thousands per year in premiums.

More people will end up UNINSURED after the smoke clears than were uninsured before ACA. Many middle income people may be able to keep some coverage, but they will see a reduced standard of life in order to be able to pay the premiums.

At the end of the day, if you had been working hard to make a good living, you will suffer under the ACA.

Like I said, the Concept of Affordable Health Care is a Wonderful thing! However, taking that Affordable Health Care from one family and giving it to another is a SERIOUSLY FLAWED process.

[mixsonci]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

I am one of those that got my insurance cancelled not once, but twice.

The concept behind the Affordable Care Act was the only good part.

The execution was abominable.

The economics were infeasable.

The fact that it was passed by a congress that did not read it is irrational and reeks of malfeasance.

Theoretically, the best part of the ACA was the pre-existing condition portion. However, the only insureds that can take advantage of that are the poor who will not have to pay anyway or the wealthy that can afford the thousands per year in premiums.

More people will end up UNINSURED after the smoke clears than were uninsured before ACA. Many middle income people may be able to keep some coverage, but they will see a reduced standard of life in order to be able to pay the premiums.

At the end of the day, if you had been working hard to make a good living, you will suffer under the ACA.

Like I said, the Concept of Affordable Health Care is a Wonderful thing! However, taking that Affordable Health Care from one family and giving it to another is a SERIOUSLY FLAWED process.

Well said, agree totally