[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I think the insurance industry will say anything true or false to protect the large profits. Facts shoe this AHC will bring costs down for the majority.

Again that is not true if you wish to check !!!

[Bucco]

A note to THE VILLAGER 2 who posts both here and on another site.

If you care to use phrases like this to describe any of us who oppose this bill.....

"Very sad bunch of radicals that believe anyone that needs help is lazy."

Be a man and do it HERE and not under cover.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Please tell me how you can be PROUD of these dishonest actions that have been and continued to be used for politics ONLY ?????? I honestly want to know what you are PROUD of......to me, it is ...well, lets leave the adjective for later, but I aint proud of this bill. You wait a few years while congress is all tied up dealing with the financial bind of this bill. You thought we had a deficit problem ? This pretty much sews it up.

Again, there are and have been alternatives to do what you say, but as of now, all folks get is ridiculed for even bringing them up. Could have been avoided, should have been avoided.

I have been here the whole time and just do not see the actions of those responsible for this bill being anything but FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. Granted it will not improve the wealth of the ins companies and will cost me and you a few premium dollars, but that will be dwarfed by the benefit of so many in need of medical help.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I think the insurance industry will say anything true or false to protect the large profits. Facts shoe this AHC will bring costs down for the majority.

time will tell and I anxiously wait for the facts to come out. I am always interested in observing historical firsts!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I have been here the whole time and just do not see the actions of those responsible for this bill being anything but FOR THE GOOD OF THE PEOPLE. Granted it will not improve the wealth of the ins companies and will cost me and you a few premium dollars, but that will be dwarfed by the benefit of so many in need of medical help.

You do realize that TWO states did not want this bill and only voted for it after they were called in, spoke to in private, and given money to the state ?

You do realize that this bill only passed with manipulation of the rules to get it passed ?

You do realize as much as folks make fun, the last vote to repeal it had 39 Dems vote to repeal ?

NOBODY, and you just do not get it....NOBODY want anyone to get hurt, but they will simply because of the way and reason for this bill. If it makes you feel good that is was done for those folks, fine....it is not backed up by any facts.

[DianeM]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Boy Howdy, I am sorry you feel that way.

Well I reckon I'm quite sorry for your feelings too.

[Golfingnut]

Wife says if I want dinner, eat now or it will be thrown out. I hear your arguments, but I feel you are mistaken and you will see the benefits of this wonderful law in due time. I see this as big as any improvement to our country in my lifetime. Have a good evening, I will comment further in the morning. And thanks to everyone for being so kind and civil with your opinions.

[buggyone]

From what I read, it sounds as though some posters are against the mandate for insurance companies to provide health insurance to those with pre-existing conditions. That certainly is COLD. Just imagine if one of those with a pre-existing condition were you, your spouse, or your family. Would it safe to say you would still be against the coverage for pre-existing conditions?

Remember, also, that it was a Republican appointee (Chief Justice Roberts) who declared the individual mandate to be constitutional.

Golfingnuts is right when he says this law will be one of the major triumphs in Presidential history - like Social Security and Medicare. Without both of those, our society would be far worse off. How many of you would be as comfortable as you are without Social Security or Medicare?

I have also heard the fear factor brought up that physicians will become scarce due to Obamacare because they cannot make a profit anymore. It is a known fact that there is currently a record number of students applying for medical school across the USA. Some of the old timers are retiring but there is a fresh crop with new skills ready to take their places.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by buggyone

From what I read, it sounds as though some posters are against the mandate for insurance companies to provide health insurance to those with pre-existing conditions. That certainly is COLD. Just imagine if one of those with a pre-existing condition were you, your spouse, or your family. Would it safe to say you would still be against the coverage for pre-existing conditions?

Remember, also, that it was a Republican appointee (Chief Justice Roberts) who declared the individual mandate to be constitutional.

Golfingnuts is right when he says this law will be one of the major triumphs in Presidential history - like Social Security and Medicare. Without both of those, our society would be far worse off. How many of you would be as comfortable as you are without Social Security or Medicare?

I have also heard the fear factor brought up that physicians will become scarce due to Obamacare because they cannot make a profit anymore. It is a known fact that there is currently a record number of students applying for medical school across the USA. Some of the old timers are retiring but there is a fresh crop with new skills ready to take their places.

Could you copy and paste the poster who expressed this... "some posters are against the mandate for insurance companies to provide health insurance to those with pre-existing conditions."

I have never seen anyone against that, nor even heard that point debated by anyone on a national scale. Fact is the proposals dismissed before this law all addressed that fact and everyone seems to be on the same page, so just to stay up on it...please allow where that came from. Thanks

I also have not heard the scare of physicians thing for the last year or so. The problem seems to be losing the physician that you want.

So if you could tell me the source of your post, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks again

[TOTV Team]

We've wanted to let views be expressed and there have been over 100 replies so this has been accomplished but this is naturally crossing over into politics and as such we need to close the thread.