[outlaw]

Police shoot dead gunman who took hostages in German cinema

[Jima64]

Guess a gun ban does not work.

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by Jima64

Guess a gun ban does not work.

That sure proves your point. One gun incident shows that gun control does not work. Compare the gun related incidents in Germany and the United States.

[kansasr]

"None of the moviegoers was shot, although as many as 25 people may have been injured by tear gas, local media reported."

Hmm, certainly a very different outcome than here in the US.....

[MikeV]

Originally Posted by xNYer

That sure proves your point. One gun incident shows that gun control does not work. Compare the gun related incidents in Germany and the United States.

And we're off!

[outlaw]

Why do hoplophobes keep moving to Florida? California has better weather and stricter gun control laws.

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Why do hoplophobes keep moving to Florida? California has better weather and stricter gun control laws.

Why do so many alethephobes move to Florida?

[graciegirl]

I want to make it clear that I am not a member of the NRA. We do not own guns.

But if they arrested and took away the guns of all of the people who harmed others or killed them with guns that are not members of the NRA, there would be close to NO problem. (Until or unless they released them and they got more illegal guns)

In the shooting in Orlando, and the deaths and dismemberments in Boston, I see one common thread. Also the shooting and deaths at the Armed Service Recruitment office in Chattanooga...and the shooting deaths in San Bernardino. Our Attorney General is still wondering, but I am not.

[redwitch]

Gracie, there are many gun owners who do not belong to the NRA. They carry legally and have not harmed another. It is not just illegal guns and their owners who have killed. Orlando's guns were legally obtained by the homophobic jerk. The Sandyhook killer used his mother's legally obtained weapons. The San Bernardino murderers got their weapons from a friend who obtained them legally. Columbine's guns were legally owned by the parents. I'm willing to bet that the Sandyhook mother and the Columbine parents belonged to the NRA. Think we need to find a better criteria than just belonging to a club to prevent these type of slaughters.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Gracie, there are many gun owners who do not belong to the NRA. They carry legally and have not harmed another. It is not just illegal guns and their owners who have killed. Orlando's guns were legally obtained by the homophobic jerk. The Sandyhook killer used his mother's legally obtained weapons. The San Bernardino murderers got their weapons from a friend who obtained them legally. Columbine's guns were legally owned by the parents. I'm willing to bet that the Sandyhook mother and the Columbine parents belonged to the NRA. Think we need to find a better criteria than just belonging to a club to prevent these type of slaughters.

I guess we can dance around the killings reported every morning in Orlando.

And the real danger of Isis and others who believe similarly.

Because that would be bigotry. None of us want to be guilty of that.

[redwitch]

Not quite sure what you're trying to say, Gracie, but here's my take. Are we ever going to be able to get all illegal guns off the streets? Probably not. At least not as long as there are drug and turf issues. Do I wish drive-by shootings didn't exist? You betchya. If gang members and drug kingpins feel the need to kill each other, have at it. Losing a bad guy or two is not going to break my heart. Hearing of a toddler being shot or a young, healthy, happy girl being seriously injured because they were in the way does. Do I think Boston (which did not involve guns), San Bernardino, the Recruiting Office were ISIS-related? 100%. Orlando I'm not totally convinced. I honestly think this jerk used ISIS an excuse to kill some gays. He would have done it regardless of his religious beliefs.

To me, you're mixing apples and oranges. The gangbanger and his illegal weapons are not used to deliberately shoot innocent victims. The mass shooter usually has legal weapons in his/her possession. Belonging/not belonging to the NRA is irrelevant in either scenario. In both instances, people die but in one instance it is nearly all innocents and is planned long before the first shot is fired. Those people want their 15 minutes of fame. In the other, it is more of an impulse, an act of rage or revenge. Shooting a bystander is not wanted -- too much publicity and a stepping up of police actions.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by redwitch

not quite sure what you're trying to say, gracie, but here's my take. Are we ever going to be able to get all illegal guns off the streets? Probably not. At least not as long as there are drug and turf issues. Do i wish drive-by shootings didn't exist? You betchya. If gang members and drug kingpins feel the need to kill each other, have at it. Losing a bad guy or two is not going to break my heart. Hearing of a toddler being shot or a young, healthy, happy girl being seriously injured because they were in the way does. do i think boston (which did not involve guns), san bernardino, the recruiting office were isis-related? 100%. Orlando i'm not totally convinced. I honestly think this jerk used isis an excuse to kill some gays. He would have done it regardless of his religious beliefs.

to me, you're mixing apples and oranges. The gangbanger and his illegal weapons are not used to deliberately shoot innocent victims. The mass shooter usually has legal weapons in his/her possession. Belonging/not belonging to the nra is irrelevant in either scenario. In both instances, people die but in one instance it is nearly all innocents and is planned long before the first shot is fired. Those people want their 15 minutes of fame. In the other, it is more of an impulse, an act of rage or revenge. Shooting a bystander is not wanted -- too much publicity and a stepping up of police actions.

That is the problem.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Not quite sure what you're trying to say, Gracie, but here's my take. Are we ever going to be able to get all illegal guns off the streets? Probably not. At least not as long as there are drug and turf issues. Do I wish drive-by shootings didn't exist? You betchya. If gang members and drug kingpins feel the need to kill each other, have at it. Losing a bad guy or two is not going to break my heart. Hearing of a toddler being shot or a young, healthy, happy girl being seriously injured because they were in the way does. Do I think Boston (which did not involve guns), San Bernardino, the Recruiting Office were ISIS-related? 100%. Orlando I'm not totally convinced. I honestly think this jerk used ISIS an excuse to kill some gays. He would have done it regardless of his religious beliefs.

To me, you're mixing apples and oranges. The gangbanger and his illegal weapons are not used to deliberately shoot innocent victims. The mass shooter usually has legal weapons in his/her possession. Belonging/not belonging to the NRA is irrelevant in either scenario. In both instances, people die but in one instance it is nearly all innocents and is planned long before the first shot is fired. Those people want their 15 minutes of fame. In the other, it is more of an impulse, an act of rage or revenge. Shooting a bystander is not wanted -- too much publicity and a stepping up of police actions.

After all the news articles regarding the shooter's family, his father's comments regarding gays, his trips to Saudi Arabia, if you still think his religion had nothing to do with it, you are woefully uninformed. And, as for the San Bernardino shooters, those guns were obtained through a highly illegal action called a straw purchase.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by xNYer

Why do so many alethephobes move to Florida?

Let's be clear about this. I am a native Floridian alethephobe.