[Villageswimmer]

I would like to see guns and violence eliminated from movies/tv. Period.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

To the many gun owners who want to blame Baldwin I get your point of view, but if you worked on a film set for a couple of months I believe you will walk away with a whole different aspect.
The IATSE was about to go on strike against the studios, I'm not sure they have finalized the contract yet. Most of the disputes had to do with the hours and working conditions. That's got to tell you something.

It tells me that maybe Baldwin was culpable but in a different way. He's one of the producers of the movie, I don't know what his stake in it is, but surely he had an opinion on the walkout or perhaps concerns about things going smoothly with the production. In other words, he's not just an actor waiting for his cue who's not really interested in what's going on with the crew or the behind the scenes activities regarding union issues.

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

No. Just because a public person like Baldwin voices his political opinions doesn’t mean you can break the rules of an online forum and post political stuff. It is specifically banned on TOTV.

Some people just have to bring politics into everything. There are some diehards on TOTV that just don’t know when to quit. Give it a friggin rest.

When I first discovered this forum back in the spring, I don't recall seeing the caution at the top of the forum page about discussing politics or making political references. How long has that been on here? Maybe I just missed seeing it.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

When I first discovered this forum back in the spring, I don't recall seeing the caution at the top of the forum page about discussing politics or making political references. How long has that been on here? Maybe I just missed seeing it.

It’s been there for a long time.

[manaboutown]

Hollywood Weapons Expert: Alec Baldwin Ignored the No. 1 Rule of Gun Safety

[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Just sounds like someone was criminally negligent in the placing of a weapon with live rounds in it on a place where actors retrieve these items for use in the movie production.

These Old West pistols are fairly heavy as well so it would be hard to tell if these were not blanks loaded.

Oh please. This was a revolver, you know, the type of gun where you can actually see the bullets.

[Number 10 GI]

I still haven't read why live ammo was on the movie set. Who put it there and why?

[kkingston57]

Sounds like a mistake made by the person who gave him the gun. Wonder if there is a law in California which could make him criminally responsible.

Still tragic.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Sounds like a mistake made by the person who gave him the gun. Wonder if there is a law in California which could make him criminally responsible.

Still tragic.

Alec shot two people, killing one, in New Mexico, not California.

[Villageswimmer]

Very, very tragic. In an industry that constantly decries gun violence, why do they use them in movies? Double standard much?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Which caused the helicopter to crash.

Yes. I remember the incident better now that you said that. So sad.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by tedquick

I agree, Woodbear: I have been trained that you never ever point a gun, loaded or unloaded, at another human being unless your intent is to kill that person. I don't like Baldwin. I'm not saying he intentionally killed anyone but he should never have pointed the gun at another person, period. And then to pull the trigger? I'm guessing he was being very careless and remarkably stupid.

He was given, what he was told was a cold gun. The fault is with the prop person in charge of the gun. She was inexperienced, the movie was a poorly run production and the union crew walked out due to unsafe working conditions. A crew member that should never have touched the gun, much less handed it to and actor did told him it was cold. They were rehearsing and in all rehearsals you use a rubber gun. Never a real gun, loaded or not. He was shooting at the camera and the girl killed was the operator. He was shooting was he thought and was told was an empty gun.

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

To the many gun owners who want to blame Baldwin I get your point of view, but if you worked on a film set for a couple of months I believe you will walk away with a whole different aspect.
The IATSE was about to go on strike against the studios, I'm not sure they have finalized the contract yet. Most of the disputes had to do with the hours and working conditions. That's got to tell you something.

You’re correct. My job has been on sets for over 30 years. This has zero to do with Alec Baldwin. A woman was killed because an inexperienced crew member was hired because the experienced ones didn’t like the working conditions and walked off set. I will say this.. Alec being not only a producer but also the lead, he should’ve stuck up for the crew and had he done so, this possibly could have been avoided since they’d have had a better, more experienced crew. Still safety is the responsibility of the 1st AD and unfortunately, that’s the person who handed off the loaded gun saying it was cold. He’ll never work again.

[HORNET]

Then you are in denial

[tedquick]

Originally Posted by Kelevision

He was given, what he was told was a cold gun. The fault is with the prop person in charge of the gun. She was inexperienced, the movie was a poorly run production and the union crew walked out due to unsafe working conditions. A crew member that should never have touched the gun, much less handed it to and actor did told him it was cold. They were rehearsing and in all rehearsals you use a rubber gun. Never a real gun, loaded or not. He was shooting at the camera and the girl killed was the operator. He was shooting was he thought and was told was an empty gun.

As I intimated, he probably did not intend to kill anyone, but any time you are handed a gun and regardless of what you are told about that gun it is your responsibility to make sure that it is safe, or if not then you must treat it differently. The gun handler is always 100% responsible for what happens with any gun in their possession.