[SkBlogW]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Again Baldwin is an actor, the only thing he probably knows is how to point and pull the trigger.
If you showed him the 2 displays he probably would think one was a lipstick and the other a suppositorie.

Ah yes, the dumb actor excuse. Baldwin grew up in New York, has been acting for 40 years including scores of movies where weapons were used. You actually think he has never seen blanks and bullets and could not tell the difference?

Even if the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court hands you a weapon and tells you it is not loaded, you check and verify.

PS Bullets are not like loose lug nuts.

[Topspinmo]

It there any gun’s that needs to taken away IMO it Hollywood. This has happen several times before. Jason lee was last one I remember getting killed on set

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by SkBlogW

Ah yes, the dumb actor excuse. Baldwin grew up in New York, has been acting for 40 years including scores of movies where weapons were used. You actually think he has never seen blanks and bullets and could not tell the difference?

Even if the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court hands you a weapon and tells you it is not loaded, you check and verify.

PS Bullets are not like loose lug nuts.

I believe Hollywood types can’t tell the difference or people working on the sets. There should be no power in movie set bullets when they show loading guns on set. That way there on actual live ammo around unless somebody induces one used for crime.

[Blackbird45]

Even though I retired over 10 years ago I am still maintain my member membership In the IATSE which is the union that covers almost all movies. My local and I assume all locals have apprenticeships and testing. As I heard on the news the prop master on this job was not a union member. Some productions will go non-union to save money and they get what they pay for. If I'm a member of her family I will sue the production for every penny I could get. May they'll get to understand there is a cost of hiring non professionals. In this case it was some ones life.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Even though I retired over 10 years ago I am still maintain my member membership In the IATSE which is the union that covers almost all movies. My local and I assume all locals have apprenticeships and testing. As I heard on the news the prop master on this job was not a union member. Some productions will go non-union to save money and they get what they pay for. If I'm a member of her family I will sue the production for every penny I could get. May they'll get to understand there is a cost of hiring non professionals. In this case it was some ones life.

The lawyers will be very busy with this matter.

Do they say what kind of weapon this was? A Colt Peacemaker? Winchester Rifle? Shotgun?

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[nick demis]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

He has no blame in this as he does not supply the equipment used on the film set. Time will tell if some ******* tried to sabotage the film being made by putting live rounds in the guns used while filming. They shut down other movies being made in the same vicinity.

If you have any experience with firearms, there are does and don'ts. He failed totally in both of those departments.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by nick demis

If you have any experience with firearms, there are does and don'ts. He failed totally in both of those departments.

I got shot with a BB gun which went into my left pinkie. The fellow teen was aiming it at my eye and I convinced him to fire between my fingers instead. He went into a mental health facility as soon as his parents learned of it. I grew up in Reno, Nevada near "friends" who used to hunt rattlesnakes for fun. I went along but would deliberately make enough noise to drive the rattlers away.

I do have experience with shotguns and 22s though. And with firing a very heavy pistol.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Baldwin is not a trained gun owner, though. He's a liberal and an actor from New York City. He was using the gun as a prop for a scene, not as a weapon. He was told the gun was "cold" which should have meant that it was safe for him to rehearse with.

Clearly someone made a terrible error on that set. Baldwin might have some liability as a producer for the accident but I don't think he is personally responsible for the safety of the props on the set. It's insane that someone yelled "cold gun" on a loaded weapon. How did that happen? Was it an error or was it intentional?

That seems to be the most important question. Was this yelling "cold gun" done while the person knew the gun was actually loaded with real bullets.

This has a lot of very good information. Gun Control Activist Alec Baldwin Kills One, Wounds Another on Movie Set | SOFREP

[Koapaka]

Interesting turn of events....not saying it was intentional, but this is certainly a little bizarre......

I mean, what are the odds?

Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim Was Wife Of Latham & Watkins Lawyer Which Represent The Clinton Connected Attorney Just Indicted By Bob Durham - USA SUPREME

[New Englander]

I feel very bad for the woman killed, the injured director, and Mr. Baldwin. Can you imagine how bad he feels??

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

It is irrelevant though. The issue seems to be what the person who yelled "cold gun" meant and knew when he/she made that assertion to Alec Baldwin.

Maybe irrelevant but certainly ironic given his personal views. Why would a movie set use real guns that can be loaded with actual bullets? I've seen many fake guns that look like the real thing. Only upon close examination could you tell the difference.

Another thing - if they were having labor disputes on this film and Baldwin was indeed one of the producers, wouldn't he and the director be more cautious about things like firearms/weapons? As others have already commented, replacement workers may not know the safety protocol in these situations.

[Blackbird45]

I've been a gun owner for 25 years and have also work on many film sets and I have to tell you working on a film set is more dangerous than any firearm. It's like being aboard a runaway train. It's all time and money, which means things are either intentionally or unintentionally over looked. Many gun owner have posted that Baldwin should have check the weapon, that is true, but I have seen prop masters actually show the actor the the firearm is unload before they hand it to them. This should have been the responsibility of the prop master to take this step. As I said working on a film set can sometimes be a mad house, it's like being in the middle of a 3 ring circus and not knowing what's going to happen next and even someone who is an experience gun owner might get distracted.
Let's be honest if this was a low budget movie with some no name actor it probably wouldn't have been on the news.

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Baldwin is not a trained gun owner, though. He's a liberal and an actor from New York City. He was using the gun as a prop for a scene, not as a weapon. He was told the gun was "cold" which should have meant that it was safe for him to rehearse with.

Clearly someone made a terrible error on that set. Baldwin might have some liability as a producer for the accident but I don't think he is personally responsible for the safety of the props on the set. It's insane that someone yelled "cold gun" on a loaded weapon. How did that happen? Was it an error or was it intentional?

Baldwin is a gun owner.

He is also the one who killed that woman. Not the person who told him it was a cold gun.

If someone handed you a gun, told you it wasn't loaded, would you point it at a family member and pull the trigger or would you double and triple check that it really was unloaded first?

The person in possession of the firearm is solely responsible for handling that firearm safely. You don't get to shrug and claim it's someone else's fault if you kill someone.

Did other people screw up? Yes, that seems likely. But Baldwin is the killer.

[roscoguy]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Why do some people have to make everything political? And where are the moderators when we need them?

Two of the best questions in a thread chock full of politicized diatribe, misinformation, improper terminology & silly assumptions...

First, the news reports were wrong in calling this incident a "misfire" but it sure wasn't a "hangfire" either. (More "fake news"? ) It was an accidental shooting, not even an accidental discharge since the firearm was meant to fire when Baldwin pulled the trigger.

Second, the 2 other discharges, at least according to the linked LA Times article, (Alec Baldwin '''Rust''' camera crew walked off before shooting - Los Angeles Times ) were accidental discharges as the firearm was supposed to have been totally empty. There was no mention anywhere that I read that a projectile was involved in that incident, BTW.

Third, even though most of us may well have been taught proper firearm safety, do you really believe that every single actor who is handed a prop firearm by a professional armorer is going to completely unload & then reload that gun each and every time? Something tells me that just ain't gonna happen...

[Blackbird45]

To the many gun owners who want to blame Baldwin I get your point of view, but if you worked on a film set for a couple of months I believe you will walk away with a whole different aspect.
The IATSE was about to go on strike against the studios, I'm not sure they have finalized the contract yet. Most of the disputes had to do with the hours and working conditions. That's got to tell you something.