[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just an FYI regarding "involuntary manslaughter." This is the legal term for when you do something that isn't illegal, and it causes someone else's death. A charge must be filed when that happens, and that charge is "involuntary manslaughter." It means you're not guilty of any actual crime, but your actions directly resulted in someone else being dead..

That's what the driver of the car was charged with, when my friend and I ran into them on my moped one day. We were going down the wrong way on a one-way street into a major intersection, and didn't stop. Jimi flipped over the car and died four days later. I was in the hospital for two weeks.

It was CLEARLY Jimi's fault, he was driving the moped. But back then in Massachusetts where this happened, there was no registration/licensing/insuring for mopeds, they were still considered pedestrian vehicles - motorized bicycles. Since it was the impact with the car that caused Jimi's death, the driver of the car got charged with involuntary manslaughter. It's a technicality, a place-holder for the records.

Charges were brought, charges were dropped, no trial, no judgment. It just had to be on file. Involuntary manslaughter is the common charge for these kinds of situations.

[camaguey48]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

He has no blame in this as he does not supply the equipment used on the film set. Time will tell if some ******* tried to sabotage the film being made by putting live rounds in the guns used while filming. They shut down other movies being made in the same vicinity.

He should have thought about taking a gun safety course. First and most important rule of gun safety. Treat every weapon as if it's loaded.

[Boston-Sean]

Santa Fe authorities say no one has been ruled out of facing charges and a crime has certainly been committed in Alec Baldwin case


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If they determine that someone or multiple people are going to be charged, Baldwin for sure will be one of them.

[jimmio]

Originally Posted by Koapaka

Maybe not....he was the producer for the film AND the union folks walked of the set that same morning citing safety concerns...he could have a whole lot of responsibility in this besides just pulling the trigger.

Replacement worker was in charge of Alec Baldwin's deadly prop gun

Ironic that the same day the crew walked off the set citing safety concerns this happens?
I have no idea, nor do you who is to blame at this point.
I just find it ironic?

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by jimmio

I have no idea, nor do you who is to blame at this point.

Assuming the gun was in the hands of Alec Baldwin, Yes I do.

[Gulfcoast]

It sounds as though the young woman who was shot and killed was in back of a camera getting a shot of Alec Baldwin's character "firing" the gun. The producer was standing behind the woman and the bullet hit him, too. The gun was a prop and wasn't actually supposed to fire bullets.

I think that Baldwin is a bit of a jerk but he's the actor on the set and someone yelled "cold gun" before he picked that gun up to rehearse with it.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

The gun was a prop and wasn't actually supposed to fire bullets.

His was a "real" gun.

Live bullet was in gun fired by Alec Baldwin in fatal movie-set shooting: Sheriff

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

It sounds as though the young woman who was shot and killed was in back of a camera getting a shot of Alec Baldwin's character "firing" the gun. The producer was standing behind the woman and the bullet hit him, too. The gun was a prop and wasn't actually supposed to fire bullets.

I think that Baldwin is a bit of a jerk but he's the actor on the set and someone yelled "cold gun" before he picked that gun up to rehearse with it.

It was a real gun.

And apparently this was a rehearsal of the scene. It was not being filmed. Which makes it even more reckless that Baldwin pointed a real gun at the chest of another person and pulled the trigger.

[manaboutown]

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[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

It was a real gun.

And apparently this was a rehearsal of the scene. It was not being filmed. Which makes it even more reckless that Baldwin pointed a real gun at the chest of another person and pulled the trigger.

Someone earlier in this thread claimed there were blanks in the gun not real bullets. Now we're hearing it they were the real thing. Which is it?

There's two things at play here:

1 - Why were real bullets loaded into a gun that was being used on a movie set?

2) Did Baldwin know the gun was loaded - or when he heard "cold gun" did he think that mean it had no bullets of any kind? Because even if they were blanks, they could still hurt someone if fired at close range. If he thought it was loaded with blanks, then it still raises the question why would you pull the trigger during a rehearsal and fire blanks at someone?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Someone earlier in this thread claimed there were blanks in the gun not real bullets. Now we're hearing it they were the real thing. Which is it?

There's two things at play here:

1 - Why were real bullets loaded into a gun that was being used on a movie set?

2) Did Baldwin know the gun was loaded - or when he heard "cold gun" did he think that mean it had no bullets of any kind? Because even if they were blanks, they could still hurt someone if fired at close range. If he thought it was loaded with blanks, then it still raises the question why would you pull the trigger during a rehearsal and fire blanks at someone?

It doesn't matter that he may or may not have heard "cold gun"...

You still check for yourself...

The armorer, who was supposed to be in charge of the weapons, was nowhere to be found, so the AD took over. A BIG mistake...

As to the "real bullets", there are reports that the guns were being used (after hours) for "plinking" in the desert... Another HUGE lapse in judgement...

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by Escape Artist

Someone earlier in this thread claimed there were blanks in the gun not real bullets. Now we're hearing it they were the real thing. Which is it?

There's two things at play here:

1 - Why were real bullets loaded into a gun that was being used on a movie set?

2) Did Baldwin know the gun was loaded - or when he heard "cold gun" did he think that mean it had no bullets of any kind? Because even if they were blanks, they could still hurt someone if fired at close range. If he thought it was loaded with blanks, then it still raises the question why would you pull the trigger during a rehearsal and fire blanks at someone?

Why would the camera person be standing there getting a shot of the actor shooting a gun if she thought she was going to get shot?

It's pretty doubtful that Baldwin loaded the gun or knew that the gun was loaded. And it's pretty doubtful that either the camera lady or the producer were aware that the gun was loaded with one or more real bullets.

I've never worked on a set but I would imagine that actors/actresses aren't the ones responsible for things like prop safety and which gun is safe to use when. Those logistics are handled by a safety specialist on the crew.

I guess the question is 1) Who loaded the gun 2) Who gave Baldwin that particular gun to use 3) Who yelled "cold gun" giving Baldwin and the two victims a false belief that the gun was o.k. to practice with.

It does not sound as though Baldwin was goofing off and being an arse. It doesn't sound as though he had a beef with the two who got shot. It really does sound as though the camera person was trying to get shots of Baldwin "shooting" the weapon for a scene that they were working on. Now law enforcement needs to figure out how Baldwin wound up shooting a loaded weapon at those two victims.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

Now law enforcement needs to figure out how Baldwin wound up shooting a loaded weapon at those two victims.

Very simple answer. He was handed a loaded gun and didn't check to see if it was loaded...

[manaboutown]

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