[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by frayedends

^^^^^^^^

Exactly. Any person that thinks the person with the gun is not responsible doesn't have a basic knowledge of the rules of gun safety. Treat every gun as if it is loaded. Period.

Treat every gun as if it is loaded...or check with an expert to assure you it is safe.

As I understand it, there was a paid professional whose job it was to ensure the gun was safe. Perhaps Baldwin could have checked for himself (other say he absolutely should have) but he supposedly had a professional with more skills and knowledge tell him it was safe.

Should he trust the trained professional armorer or check the gun himself?
Should you trust the trained professional pilot or fly the plane yourself?
Should you trust your trained professional surgeon or operate on yourself?

Suing for hearing loss, temporary deafness, and vibrational shock?? Unfortunately, they will probably win.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Treat every gun as if it is loaded...or check with an expert to assure you it is safe.

As I understand it, there was a paid professional whose job it was to ensure the gun was safe. Perhaps Baldwin could have checked for himself (other say he absolutely should have) but he supposedly had a professional with more skills and knowledge tell him it was safe.

Should he trust the trained professional armorer or check the gun himself?
Should you trust the trained professional pilot or fly the plane yourself?
Should you trust your trained professional surgeon or operate on yourself?

Suing for hearing loss, temporary deafness, and vibrational shock?? Unfortunately, they will probably win.

Ridiculous analogies, since one cannot pilot a commercial plane.

And one cannot enter an OR and do their own surgery...

And I've had plenty of patients who've done their own "bathroom surgery" before coming to see me... It rarely works out well... But they do examine their own foot, see there's a problem and go from there. Just as a one should check out a gun wen it's handed to them...

Guns are a completely different animal.

There is a wise saying..."Trust, but verify..."

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Treat every gun as if it is loaded...or check with an expert to assure you it is safe.

As I understand it, there was a paid professional whose job it was to ensure the gun was safe. Perhaps Baldwin could have checked for himself (other say he absolutely should have) but he supposedly had a professional with more skills and knowledge tell him it was safe.

Should he trust the trained professional armorer or check the gun himself?
Should you trust the trained professional pilot or fly the plane yourself?
Should you trust your trained professional surgeon or operate on yourself?

Suing for hearing loss, temporary deafness, and vibrational shock?? Unfortunately, they will probably win.

If he is going to point it at someone and pull the trigger then he should check it himself. Of course you must know this. I mean the outcome of his action is proof enough is it not?

As for your other analogies, as noted above, they are absurd. Alec Baldwin knows how to check if a gun is loaded with real cartridges.

If I were to go to a gun shoot at a local range, and there was a safety officer there to check guns and he handed me a gun and said it was not loaded and I shot someone, I'd be in jail for manslaughter at the very least. Period. That is exactly what happened here. The only possible argument that could be made is there were no real guns on the set and somehow this was planted in Alec's hand by someone on purpose. But that was not the case and Alec knew it.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by frayedends

If he is going to point it at someone and pull the trigger then he should check it himself. Of course you must know this. I mean the outcome of his action is proof enough is it not?

As for your other analogies, as noted above, they are absurd. Alec Baldwin knows how to check if a gun is loaded with real cartridges.

If I were to go to a gun shoot at a local range, and there was a safety officer there to check guns and he handed me a gun and said it was not loaded and I shot someone, I'd be in jail for manslaughter at the very least. Period. That is exactly what happened here. The only possible argument that could be made is there were no real guns on the set and somehow this was planted in Alec's hand by someone on purpose. But that was not the case and Alec knew it.

I can just see the actors in the John Wick movies making sure their many guns are not loaded with real rounds.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I can just see the actors in the John Wick movies making sure their many guns are not loaded with real rounds.

They don't even use blanks in the John Wick movies. All of the gunshots (muzzle flashes) are added digitally, via CGI...

[manaboutown]

“After extensive investigation over the past several months, additional facts have come to light that we believe show Mr. Baldwin has criminal culpability in the death of Halyna Hutchins and the shooting of Joel Souza,” Morrissey and Lewis said in an email. “We believe the appropriate course of action is to permit a panel of New Mexico citizens to determine from here whether Mr. Baldwin should be held over for criminal trial.”

The recent gun analysis from experts in ballistics and forensic testing based in Arizona and New Mexico relied on replacement parts to reassemble the gun fired by Baldwin — after parts of the pistol were broken during earlier testing by the FBI. The report examined the gun and markings it left on a spent cartridge to conclude that the trigger had to have been pulled or depressed.

The analysis led by Lucien Haag of Forensic Science Services in Arizona stated that although Baldwin repeatedly denies pulling the trigger, “given the tests, findings and observations reported here, the trigger had to be pulled or depressed sufficiently to release the fully cocked or retracted hammer of the evidence revolver.”

From: Prosecutors seeking to recharge actor Alec Baldwin in fatal shooting on movie set

[Taltarzac725]

They seem to be beating a dead horse. Alec Baldwin may be recharged with Rust gun death because of '''additional facts''' - BBC News

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

They seem to be beating a dead horse. Alec Baldwin may be recharged with Rust gun death because of '''additional facts''' - BBC News

Hopefully this time the prosecutors will be able to get their act together and successfully obtain a verdict of guilty as charged. It still has to get past a grand jury though.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Hopefully this time the prosecutors will be able to get their act together and successfully obtain a verdict of guilty as charged. It still has to get past a grand jury though.

Do they televise trials in New Mexico?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Do they televise trials in New Mexico?

Looks like it. Live Video Stream | New Mexico Courts

State v. Alexander Rae Baldwin | New Mexico Courts

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Looks like it. Live Video Stream | New Mexico Courts

State v. Alexander Rae Baldwin | New Mexico Courts

Could be "Must See TV". Maybe Alex will get to appear on TV before the Actor's Strike is settled.

[manaboutown]

Irony anyone? Watch: Alec Baldwin Fires Prop Guns, Gives Crew Safety Advice in ‘Rust’ Movie Shooting Clips

[manaboutown]

Good news! Justice may yet be served. Alec Baldwin faces new indictment in '''Rust''' movie set shooting | Fox News

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Good news! Justice may yet be served. Alec Baldwin faces new indictment in '''Rust''' movie set shooting | Fox News

This is good news. The article proves my point earlier that Baldwin was responsible and he knew he was responsible (not some prop person).


"Baldwin has maintained that he did not pull the trigger of the gun Oct. 21, 2021.

"The trigger wasn’t pulled. I didn’t pull the trigger," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an interview shortly after the fatal shooting.

"No, no, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger. Never."

However, the FBI conducted an accidental discharge test and determined the gun used in the fatal shooting of Hutchins "could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger," ABC News reported.



During the legal back-and-forth, new footage — obtained by NBC News — emerged showing Baldwin firing a prop gun on the film set.

Baldwin can be heard telling crew members to move out of the path of the gun in the video, obtained and published Nov. 16 by NBC News. The footage was reportedly taken some time before Hutchins was fatally shot Oct. 21, 2021.

"Now wait a second. I'm going to shoot right," Baldwin said. "Do you mind going to the other side of the camera? I don't want to shoot toward you."

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by frayedends

This is good news. The article proves my point earlier that Baldwin was responsible and he knew he was responsible (not some prop person).


"Baldwin has maintained that he did not pull the trigger of the gun Oct. 21, 2021.

"The trigger wasn’t pulled. I didn’t pull the trigger," Baldwin told George Stephanopoulos in an interview shortly after the fatal shooting.


"No, no, no, no, I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger. Never."

However, the FBI conducted an accidental discharge test and determined the gun used in the fatal shooting of Hutchins "could not be made to fire without a pull of the trigger," ABC News reported.



During the legal back-and-forth, new footage — obtained by NBC News — emerged showing Baldwin firing a prop gun on the film set.

Baldwin can be heard telling crew members to move out of the path of the gun in the video, obtained and published Nov. 16 by NBC News. The footage was reportedly taken some time before Hutchins was fatally shot Oct. 21, 2021.

"Now wait a second. I'm going to shoot right," Baldwin said. "Do you mind going to the other side of the camera? I don't want to shoot toward you."

This looks like a slam dunk for the defense.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...D=ansmsnnews11

And Alec Baldwin is not someone I e-mailed nor Facebooked or otherwise contacted (regular mail) with my efforts to find support for my very long term interactions with victim/witness assistance providers to spark an ongoing dialog with libraries about the availability of practical materials for this group of users. So I do not have a bias toward or against him.