[buggyone]

Originally Posted by gomoho

You keep referring to these other 2 cases - the biggest difference I see is there were no eye witnesses or 911 calls in either of those 2 cases and the jury needed to figure out "who done it", not if someone had the right to defend themself. Kind of like apples and oranges IMHO.

...and you are certainly entitled to your opinion - the same as I am entitled to mine.

As I said, I have the same respect for the verdict of not guilty in the Zimmerman trial as I do for the not guilty verdicts in the others.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by buggyone

...and you are certainly entitled to your opinion - the same as I am entitled to mine.

As I said, I have the same respect for the verdict of not guilty in the Zimmerman trial as I do for the not guilty verdicts in the others.

It sounds fair to respect the verdict...made me think...do I respect all verdicts? NO. The legal system is highly unlikely to produce justice.
(I'm experienced in forensics...have seen too much)

I respect this particular verdict but not robotically saluting all juries for a job well done. Being tried by a jury of clowns may be the norm.

My hat is off to the jury in the Z trial. IMO they were the exception and were not only careful to understand the law, but conscientious rather than emotional in applying it. Rare, rare, rare case of justice. They actually had the capacity to reason and use critical judgment.

And all they had to do to qualify for duty was have a driver's license. and you know how great other people are at driving...

[Patty55]

Well, you know what they say in my country....

Looking for justice in a courtroom is like looking for love in a whorehouse.

[Bucco]

This is the kind of thing that really bothers me.....nobody has given the police or anyone in law enforcement any nods on this..even though it appears that had the case nailed until interfered with...

This first link is from an article on Corey herself and I find this part to be very disturbing..

"...Corey has a history of overcharging and withholding evidence.

The Zimmerman trial is a clear case of the former and a probable case of the latter. Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder, also known as “depraved mind” murder. The case law for that charge, an attorney who has worked in criminal prosecution outside Florida tells me, is near-unanimous: It almost never applies to one-on-one encounters. Second-degree murder is the madman who fires indiscriminately into a crowd or unlocks the lions’ cage at the zoo. “Nothing in the facts of this case approaches that.” Which Angela Corey, a veteran prosecutor, should have known, and a grand jury would have told her. In fact, both the initial police investigation and the original state attorney in charge of the case had determined exactly that: There was no evidence of any crime, much less second-degree murder

But that did not stop Corey from zealously overcharging and — the facts suggest — withholding evidence to ensure that that charge stuck."

Angela Corey

This disturbs me not just on the facts but the posters who supported this case, who express discontent with the verdict, discontent with the police, etc.......Were these actions simply ignored by those folks or dont they care as long as the political mission is accomplished ?

And just to add to this...

"A former employee of Florida State Attorney Angela Corey's office plans to file a whistleblower lawsuit against George Zimmerman's prosecutors, his attorney told Reuters on Tuesday.

The action will put pressure on Corey, who already faces criticism from some legal experts for the unsuccessful prosecution of the case, which led to the acquittal of Zimmerman for shooting unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman's defense has also called for sanctions against her and her prosecution team.

Ben Kruidbos, Corey's former director of information technology, was fired after testifying at a pre-trial hearing on June 6 that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially embarrassing evidence extracted from Martin's cell phone to the defense, as required by evidence-sharing laws."

Exclusive: Fired employee to file lawsuit against Zimmerman prosecutors | Reuters

With all the shrieking about racism, poor dumb police, bad jury, etc.. why is nobody upset about this ?

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Well, you know what they say in my country....

Looking for justice in a courtroom is like looking for love in a whorehouse.

Right on! Let them be tried on TOTV!

[gmcneill]

And so, regarding Angela Corey, it crystalizes to this: Given her trail of incompetence and questionable professional behavior- the Trayvon Martin trial being only the most recent incident- will voters will return her to office or not?

Whether one is a pro- or anti verdict supporter, most all would agree that she herself has provided her potential opponents more than a sufficient amount material to use against her.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by gmcneill

And so, regarding Angela Corey, it crystalizes to this: Given her trail of incompetence and questionable professional behavior- the Trayvon Martin trial being only the most recent incident- will voters will return her to office or not?

Whether one is a pro- or anti verdict supporter, most all would agree that she herself has provided her potential opponents more than a sufficient amount material to use against her.

You are correct, but my concern (and not just mine) is how politics played into this.

Politics of win or lose...nothing else.

Not many on this TOTV forum expressed concern about what she did, or what was done to the investigation and the politics of interference.

That issue was superseded by an almost sporting event aura, cheering and rooting during the trial, etc.

If folks who are tearing at this verdict, crying race, etc are not concerned, and here I make the assumption they do not care because of political party or political leanings.....why would they care at election time ?

Thy will vote their party no matter what.

[JP]

Originally Posted by gmcneill

And so, regarding Angela Corey, it crystalizes to this: Given her trail of incompetence and questionable professional behavior- the Trayvon Martin trial being only the most recent incident- will voters will return her to office or not?

Whether one is a pro- or anti verdict supporter, most all would agree that she herself has provided her potential opponents more than a sufficient amount material to use against her.

You would hope so but I have seen a lot of people re-elected that were utterly drooling bafoons.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are correct, but my concern (and not just mine) is how politics played into this.

Politics of win or lose...nothing else.

Not many on this TOTV forum expressed concern about what she did, or what was done to the investigation and the politics of interference.

That issue was superseded by an almost sporting event aura, cheering and rooting during the trial, etc.

If folks who are tearing at this verdict, crying race, etc are not concerned, and here I make the assumption they do not care because of political party or political leanings.....why would they care at election time ?


Thy will vote their party no matter what.

This did become a political hot potato and, to some, reeked of Florida racism because the Sanford police seemed to nothing in an investigation. It did take the intercession of the Florida governor to prompt an arrest 44 days after the killing. Sometimes a third party is necessary. However, it is not always necessary to kowtow to agitators just for political reasons.

I highly doubt that any other special prosecutor appointed by the Florida governor would have handled the case any differently.

As for Federal civil rights charges being levied against Z, I say why bother? The deed is done, a verdict is in, Z is vilified by some, praised by others, but he will never be absolutely free.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by buggyone

This did become a political hot potato and, to some, reeked of Florida racism because the Sanford police seemed to nothing in an investigation. It did take the intercession of the Florida governor to prompt an arrest 44 days after the killing. Sometimes a third party is necessary. However, it is not always necessary to kowtow to agitators just for political reasons.

I highly doubt that any other special prosecutor appointed by the Florida governor would have handled the case any differently.

As for Federal civil rights charges being levied against Z, I say why bother? The deed is done, a verdict is in, Z is vilified by some, praised by others, but he will never be absolutely free.

My only response is to implore you to read about the investigation, and especially the TIMING AND WHY on that intervention. It was simply taken away BEFORE Scott did anything. His appointment was to save chaos.

I know you will not see this all of this certain networks, but at least read the interviews with the police and do just a small amount of research. They, the police had demonstrators on them early on. Interviews, normally done by the police, were being done by POLITICIANS and relatives.

I cannot compliment Scott on this. He had everyone intruding including POTUS on his back and had no choice.