[Bay Kid]

Crazy is crazy. The world has always had crazies and, sorry to say, always will.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

The point I made is that the absence of guns did not stop murders. The knife took over as the most efficient method possible and apparently served quite well.

The point I'm making is that our government didn't write legislation to specifically include knives in to laws permitting citizens to arm themselves. A knife is neither permitted nor forbidden, it's a knife. A tool that has MANY functions, only one of which is as a killing weapon, and even that function is secondary to its primary function, which is simply "to cut things".

A semi-automatic firearm's primary function is to kill, and yet it is written in as a permitted weapon. In other words - legislation exists to give murderers permission to possess these weapons. As long as they haven't been caught (yet) and have a clean record, there's really nothing to stop them from LEGALLY possessing these weapons that exist PRIMARILY to kill people (not animals, but people) because the law ALLOWS them to possess them.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

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A semi-automatic firearm's primary function is to kill, and yet it is written in as a permitted weapon. In other words - legislation exists to give murderers permission to possess these weapons. As long as they haven't been caught (yet) and have a clean record, there's really nothing to stop them from LEGALLY possessing these weapons that exist PRIMARILY to kill people (not animals, but people) because the law ALLOWS them to possess them.

Protect and kill goes hand in hand

"because the law ALLOWS them to possess them."
And the Constitution.

Steve

[manaboutown]

The latest news on the shooter is his behavior had become erratic and that he had been involved in scuffles with coworkers. Virginia Beach Gunman Had Been Facing Disciplinary Action for a 'Violent' Fight on 'City Grounds'

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

The point I'm making is that our government didn't write legislation to specifically include knives in to laws permitting citizens to arm themselves. A knife is neither permitted nor forbidden, it's a knife. A tool that has MANY functions, only one of which is as a killing weapon, and even that function is secondary to its primary function, which is simply "to cut things".

A semi-automatic firearm's primary function is to kill, and yet it is written in as a permitted weapon. In other words - legislation exists to give murderers permission to possess these weapons. As long as they haven't been caught (yet) and have a clean record, there's really nothing to stop them from LEGALLY possessing these weapons that exist PRIMARILY to kill people (not animals, but people) because the law ALLOWS them to possess them.

So how can you stop a murderer who hasn't been caught yet from doing in anything a non-murderer is allowed to do??? If they haven't been caught how are you supposed to know they are a murderer? Convicted felons aren't allowed to vote so do we ask a question at the polling place, "Are you a murderer that hasn't been caught" because if you are you can't vote?
We allow child molesters that haven't been caught yet to be around children. Rapists that haven't been caught yet are not listed on a sexual offender list. Alcoholics that haven't been caught yet are allowed to renew their driver's license and to operate a motor vehicle.
Knives have a long history of being used as a tool to kill and before the invention of the gun were the primary killing tool used by armies. Swords are nothing more than a long knife. There is no federal law prohibiting the carrying of a knife but there are states and many municipalities that restrict the type and size of a knife that a person may carry on their person.

[luperona9]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

So how can you stop a murderer who hasn't been caught yet from doing in anything a non-murderer is allowed to do??? If they haven't been caught how are you supposed to know they are a murderer? Convicted felons aren't allowed to vote so do we ask a question at the polling place, "Are you a murderer that hasn't been caught" because if you are you can't vote?

We allow child molesters that haven't been caught yet to be around children. Rapists that haven't been caught yet are not listed on a sexual offender list. Alcoholics that haven't been caught yet are allowed to renew their driver's license and to operate a motor vehicle.

Knives have a long history of being used as a tool to kill and before the invention of the gun were the primary killing tool used by armies. Swords are nothing more than a long knife. There is no federal law prohibiting the carrying of a knife but there are states and many municipalities that restrict the type and size of a knife that a person may carry on their person.

In NYC you can only carry a nail file. Oddly the criminals carry whatever they like.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

Oh please. I've been playing violent video and RPG games since Zork when I killed my first grue, and I haven't ever given a moment's thought to owning, let alone using, a firearm.

Millions of people play video games and RPGs and don't go out and kill people. There are also people who kill other people, who don't play violent video games. And you forgot the whole "oh they listen to death metal" rhetoric.

That's stuff and nonsense, propaganda created by the NRA to put the blame on anything except where it belongs: on lack of enforcement of existing gun laws, and gun laws that are not universal, thus allowing anyone to get a gun simply by crossing state lines.

Will NEVER get rid of all the guns, they don’t go off them selves. You can have death sentence on site if caught with gun and there will still be guns. The world supplies USA with guns some legal and some untraceable black market which most big time drug lords, gang members, and crinmals know how to get. As long as there are humans there will be guns. Most law bidding citizens don’t own guns.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Crazy is crazy. The world has always had crazies and, sorry to say, always will.

and you can’t foresee in most cases or stop it.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Will NEVER get rid of all the guns, they don’t go off them selves. You can have death sentence on site if caught with gun and there will still be guns. The world supplies USA with guns some legal and some untraceable black market which most big time drug lords, gang members, and crinmals know how to get. As long as there are humans there will be guns. Most law bidding citizens don’t own guns.

I'll add to your last sentence to say.....
most law abiding "people" don't own "illegal" guns.
Steve

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

The point I'm making is that our government didn't write legislation to specifically include knives in to laws permitting citizens to arm themselves. A knife is neither permitted nor forbidden, it's a knife. A tool that has MANY functions, only one of which is as a killing weapon, and even that function is secondary to its primary function, which is simply "to cut things".

A semi-automatic firearm's primary function is to kill, and yet it is written in as a permitted weapon. In other words - legislation exists to give murderers permission to possess these weapons. As long as they haven't been caught (yet) and have a clean record, there's really nothing to stop them from LEGALLY possessing these weapons that exist PRIMARILY to kill people (not animals, but people) because the law ALLOWS them to possess them.

We could and should do something about those adjudicated by a competent and unbiased judge as mentally ill and their access to any kind of firearm. My brother-in-law thought my sister-in-law, his sister of course, had been taken over by an alien. And he got two semi-automatic pistols from VA gun show. He had never been found mentally ill though but did take his own like with one of those pistols. The proper checks-and-balances were not in place. This happened around October of 2014 that he took his life but my brother and sister-in-law were quite afraid of him long before that after they kicked him out of their house because he refused to get rid of those two pistols. He did not need them for anything. He lived with them in a very safe neighborhood.

[Velvet]

He may have had paranoid psychosis, a friend had some form of it. Such a person needs medical help. Mental illness is exactly like physical illness except we can’t always see it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Protect and kill goes hand in hand

"because the law ALLOWS them to possess them."
And the Constitution.

Steve

No, the constitution doesn't explicitly allow semi-automatic firearms. It allows firearms, as a generic term. The government has the right, and the responsibility to determine which firearms are permitted and which are not. That is why AK-47s are not permitted to be bought or carried by civilians. AR-15 should be returned to the same category. It was in that category, and it was removed from it. And now, the *majority* of mass shootings in this country over the past few years have been commited using the AR-15.

They need to be made harder to acquire. They can't be made impossible to acquire, because there is always an illegal way around anything these days. A single mass shooting prevented by a difficult acquisition process, is lives saved.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

No, the constitution doesn't explicitly allow semi-automatic firearms. It allows firearms, as a generic term. The government has the right, and the responsibility to determine which firearms are permitted and which are not. That is why AK-47s are not permitted to be bought or carried by civilians. AR-15 should be returned to the same category. It was in that category, and it was removed from it. And now, the *majority* of mass shootings in this country over the past few years have been commited using the AR-15.

They need to be made harder to acquire. They can't be made impossible to acquire, because there is always an illegal way around anything these days. A single mass shooting prevented by a difficult acquisition process, is lives saved.

I think your arguement is falling on deaf ears.

Those who differ with you have never seen a good friend have his head blown off right in front of him, or held folks with holes in their chest as they died. I have and since that.....wonder why ANYONE would want these weapons in their hands or allow strangers to have them.

I get the ammendment, and as someone who also worked in government, I respect our constitution and totally law and order.

I am also a realist who understand the cries to allow guns. I get it, but the argument is driven by those who the same folks who decry them meaning special interests.

When in government I learned NOTHING beats discussion and listening. Today we have neither.....either IN government or private citizens.

What you suggest would be thought of a a loss, not a compromise,....and would not serve the country or it citizens but "somebody"

If anyone has served and knows of what I speak.....but disagrees on another principal I do understand and hope nothing I said is offensive

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

No, the constitution doesn't explicitly allow semi-automatic firearms. It allows firearms, as a generic term.

It doesn't disallow them either.
"firearms as a "generic" term"? What the heck does that mean?
Steve

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

No, the constitution doesn't explicitly allow semi-automatic firearms. It allows firearms, as a generic term. The government has the right, and the responsibility to determine which firearms are permitted and which are not. That is why AK-47s are not permitted to be bought or carried by civilians. AR-15 should be returned to the same category. It was in that category, and it was removed from it. And now, the *majority* of mass shootings in this country over the past few years have been commited using the AR-15.

They need to be made harder to acquire. They can't be made impossible to acquire, because there is always an illegal way around anything these days. A single mass shooting prevented by a difficult acquisition process, is lives saved.

I suppose you'll also want to ban the Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle?