[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

How do you stop non-legal means of obtaining a gun? Has making the possession and sale of drugs illegal stopped the drug trade? Please use some common sense instead of emotion. There are checks required to purchase a firearm. All licensed gun dealers are required to perform a background check on all buyers and the buyer must pass the check.

He is right. The bad guys just steal them. If every law was passed so no gun would ever again be sold, and guns were taken from people, the bad guys would still have them. I am old enough to deal in reality. It wouldn't work. I do not have a gun, but I support the right to own one.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Have you ever bought a gun? Under federal law you are required to have a background check done when buying a gun from a licensed dealer. In addition Florida has a 3 day waiting period after the background check before you can take possession of the firearm. Federal law prohibits people with felony convictions and people convicted of domestic violence from purchasing, owning or possessing a firearm. Many criminals obtain guns through what is called a straw purchaser. A non-felon friend, girlfriend, wife, etc. will legally purchase the gun for the felon. This is a felony itself but prosecutors very seldom prosecute the straw purchaser. Drugs are illegal but you can buy them in the smallest towns. I heard that there were a couple incidents of drugs houses here in TV. Prohibition was a disaster, there was more alcohol consumption during prohibition than before or after. Organized crime provided a product that people were willing to pay big money for. The same for drugs, crime organizations smuggle drugs into countries and make billions in profit. Make guns illegal and again organized crime will step in and provide what ever the crazies and criminals need to accomplish the deed they wish to commit. As I said earlier, we have a violence problem, lets work on that.

What does the possibility of me buying a gun have to do with anything I've said or have to do with your post referring back to what I've said???

There is no correlation between my comment and your diatribe referencing my post, so why did you quote me?

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I don’t know why you felt guilty when I made this statement, it was Midnight Cowgirl who suggested banning some guns may be the answer. To be honest, I didn’t read your post and really didn’t pay attention to your position. Carry on!

Nowhere in my comment did I say that any guns should be banned.

You must have me confused with someone else.

[biker1]

While you can probably buy the semi-automatic sidearm that the army, and other branches, uses, you can't legally buy the fully-automatic rifles that are the staple of the military.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We need more lawyers suing gun manufacturers like with the tobacco companies. Them winning is a harder matter.

There are many guns that should simply be taken off the market and bought back if possible. Guns designed for the use of soldiers and really not so much for anything else.

More education about mental illness and a concentrated effort to get people to deal with it within their own families and in their communities. Same with virtual (online) and real life (person-to-person) bullying.

A lot can be done. Education and empathy for survivors/victim are key.

[BK001]

Originally Posted by Nucky

. . . this would be one of the times where the name of the person would be helpful but I missed it.
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Patrick Crucius, 21 years old, from Allen Texas. Info is sketchy but one reporter mentioned that the manifesto that they believe to be his, was anti-immigrants.

Edit:

Just found this post with his picture (please ignore any political reference)

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[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Of the 86 countries where we have identified mass public shootings, the US ranks 56th per capita in its rate of attacks and 61st in mass public shooting murder rate. Norway, Finland, Switzerland and Russia all have at least 45 percent higher rates of murder from mass public shootings than the United States.

Norway had one mass shooting - in 2011 - and since then the pro-gun lobby has included just that year in their statistics to drag it above the USA.

Likewise Finland - last mass shooting was in 2008.

Switzerland - 2001.

Face up to the problem, people, don't just try to hide it with distorted statistics.

[Fredster]

And the anti-gun lobby continues to focus on guns as the problem,
when in almost every case, mental or cultural issues have been the driver of these terrible events.
Guns are inanimate objects, they just don’t go off by themselves!

[Bay Kid]

Movies, tv shows, video games all sell because of all the violence. The hero is the last one standing. It seems to be the world culture.

[GrumpyOldMan]

And another shooting in Ohio.

And you can read any forum in this country and you will find identical threads to this one and they haven't haven't changed for years. We can continue to go around this tree, and point fingers at how wrong the other side is, or we can do something about it.

Aslo, at this point I am so cynical that I believe most politicians, on both sides, love it when a shooting happens - they know it will distract everyone from what the politicians are doing, and give them some good talking points for the next election.

[Taltarzac725]

Assault Weapons | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Ban the sales of these kind of weapons to anyone and try to buy existing ones back.

Police and the military can get them from whatever source.

That is at least something that can be done.

And start challenging the hard line approaches taken by the NRA and their supporters. Common sense measures should be sought after and not bumper sticker platitudes.

[New Englander]

I hate those damn assault rifles. Sure, they are not fully automatic like the military grade ones but all a person has to do is just keep squeezing the trigger. They are designed as human killing machines. Notice that many of these slaughters are done with assault type weapons? Look what happened in Las Vegas. How about the nightclub massacre in Orlando. These murdering bastards choose assault rifles because these assault rifles are great for mass murder.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl

Emotion? EMOTION? Where do you see emotion? Any emotion is yours judging by the plethora of comments you've made in response to everyone.

You will only find some thoughts and opinion in my post and this is the second time you have quoted my same comment.

You sound pretty emotional right now. So I can't correct misinformation in posts like your and others that don't know all the facts about purchasing a firearm?

[Cedwards38]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

How do you legislate mental illness? You know it will come out...again, the other common denominator, that the shooter, or it looks like possibly shooters, were and are wackos. I'm not going to say too much anymore on the gun "debate" , it get's nowhere here, and it's never civil.
Steve

You can't, so you do something else to try to keep guns out of the hands of the insane. The throw up your hands and say "what can we do" solution is clearly not working, and the problem is getting worse.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Assault Weapons | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Ban the sales of these kind of weapons to anyone and try to buy existing ones back.

Police and the military can get them from whatever source.

That is at least something that can be done.

And start challenging the hard line approaches taken by the NRA and their supporters. Common sense measures should be sought after and not bumper sticker platitudes.

Historically, the NRA helped to create sensible gun laws that hadn't previously existed. Now, they are a powerful pro-gun lobby group that wants to eliminate those same laws that they helped to create.

Until they take ownership for their responsibility in the mess was have now, where one state can have strict laws that are bypassed simply by going across state lines, no amount of OTHER changes will make a single bit of difference.

In an emergency situation where someone's leg was shot up and sepsis has begun to climb up the artery, you don't tell the patient to wait while you spend a few days figuring out why he got shot. You address the sepsis immediately and if necessary - remove the leg.

Our country is experiencing sepsis, and you all want to address the cause of the sepsis. That's great. We really SHOULD address the cause of the sepsis. But first, we need to stop the sepsis. That sepsis is semi-automatic weapons, and inconsistent gun laws between the states.

Another analogy: someone driving a car has a heart attack. You don't keep driving while you figure out why he had a heart attack. You pull over and deal with the heart attack. Mass shootings = man driving a car while having a heart attack.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl

Yes, it IS

I am not going into gun control, but it would seem that there needs to be some form of it -- a check and balance of some type if you will, or this kind of horror will continue.

And even with some form of control, it would probably be a long time before many of the illegal forms of ownership can be controlled and/or taken off the street.
While I have my own personal thoughts, it's obviously the time is past due

Semantics maybe but “taking guns off the street” to me equals banning. I didn’t say if it was right or wrong, just that the problems are stemming from mental illness.