[Tvflguy]

Tesla vehicles incorporate a very high-tech onboard system which monitors ALL systems every millisecond. Data is stored and easily retrieved. It will show EXACTLY what the vehicle and driver was performing before and during the crash. PERIOD. No emotions. No bias.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

In response to an article posted Monday on X about the wreck, Musk said, ‘Yes, this makes no sense. FSD drives slowly through neighborhood streets and this was a high speed crash!’

FSD in Musk’s response refers to “Full Self-Driving.”


Tesla’s VP of AI software, Ashok Elluswamy, responded to Musk’s post, writing, “Yup. In this case, the driver manually overrode self-driving by pressing the accelerator all the way to 100% of the accel pedal in this residential area. They reached a speed of 73 mph during the crash, and had the accelerator pressed even after the crash.”

The home was occupied at the time by two parents, three young children and Avila. Family members said the vehicle crashed into a front room that had been used as a playroom for the children.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

Tesla vehicles incorporate a very high-tech onboard system which monitors ALL systems every millisecond. Data is stored and easily retrieved. It will show EXACTLY what the vehicle and driver was performing before and during the crash. PERIOD. No emotions. No bias.

As Orwell said, "Big Brother is watching you".

Just curious, because you seem familiar with the system ... does the on-board, driver facing camera record all that happens in the vehicle and report it to Tesla to be preserved for posterity? Does that mean no more "car sex"?

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

As Orwell said, "Big Brother is watching you".

Just curious, because you seem familiar with the system ... does the on-board, driver facing camera record all that happens in the vehicle and report it to Tesla to be preserved for posterity? Does that mean no more "car sex"?

…what we do, simply like the flashing time display on an old VCR. Black electrical tape.

[jimjamuser]

Personally, it will be about 10 years before I would trust any self-driving car, gasoline or electric. I would NOT be a passenger in one where the driver put the car in auto drive mode. I would even prefer a car BUILT exclusively for safety, not styling or anything else. It would be round in shape with an extreme padded interior and almost impossible to roll over. It would look like those in amusement parks designed to crash into each other. I would prefer wind up windows with a front opening glass like older jeeps. I would prefer a low RPM engine is simple, low maintenance design, again like older 6 cylinder engines....think Plymouth and Dodge slant head 6 cylinder engines. It would be devolution to get a BETTER product. PS....no back-up cameras......use the damn mirrors.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

3. Where was the position of the driver's foot mentioned?

100% throttle before and after the crash. Foot was on the floor. I'm guessing he got confused and hit the accelerator instead of the brake. FSD literally NEVER does that.

Tesla finally clarifies fatal Texas crash, confirms driver manually overrode acceleration

Joe

[Topspinmo]

Probably need wait till the investigation proceeds see what went wrong? Doesn’t Tesla’s have black boxes recording everything?

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Personally, it will be about 10 years before I would trust any self-driving car, gasoline or electric. I would NOT be a passenger in one where the driver put the car in auto drive mode. I would even prefer a car BUILT exclusively for safety, not styling or anything else. It would be round in shape with an extreme padded interior and almost impossible to roll over. It would look like those in amusement parks designed to crash into each other. I would prefer wind up windows with a front opening glass like older jeeps. I would prefer a low RPM engine is simple, low maintenance design, again like older 6 cylinder engines....think Plymouth and Dodge slant head 6 cylinder engines. It would be devolution to get a BETTER product. PS....no back-up cameras......use the damn mirrors.

I've gotta ask, have you seen the performance of human drivers in Florida?

And just to make this painfully clear, this crash was 100% driver error. He had his foot on the floor, giving it 100% throttle before and after the accident. Kinda makes you suspect of human drivers, doesn't it?

Tesla finally clarifies fatal Texas crash, confirms driver manually overrode acceleration

FSD does not ever do this (full throttle into a house).

Joe

[biker1]

I'm not sure why you would say that. I have a Tesla and the company is quite specific in telling you that you must be ready to assume control when using both FSD and Autopilot. If you take your eyes off the road it will warn you to pay attention. Repeated instances will disable the system (FSD) for that trip. Autopilot, which is really only appropriate for highways, works differently, and has much different capabilities. It also monitors that you are paying attention but in a different way. It will also be disabled if you repeatedly don't pay attention. They have stopped shipping new cars with Autopilot. FSD remains a subscription service.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

There you go. There's a huge difference. FSD is a terrific system, that relies on the Driver to maintain control of and responsibility for the vehicle. Unfortunately, way too many folks ignore that caveat. The system seems to have a tendency to give "drivers" a false sense of its capability and relieve them of responsibility and vigilance.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Personally, it will be about 10 years before I would trust any self-driving car, gasoline or electric. I would NOT be a passenger in one where the driver put the car in auto drive mode. I would even prefer a car BUILT exclusively for safety, not styling or anything else. It would be round in shape with an extreme padded interior and almost impossible to roll over. It would look like those in amusement parks designed to crash into each other. I would prefer wind up windows with a front opening glass like older jeeps. I would prefer a low RPM engine is simple, low maintenance design, again like older 6 cylinder engines....think Plymouth and Dodge slant head 6 cylinder engines. It would be devolution to get a BETTER product. PS....no back-up cameras......use the damn mirrors.

IMO we will all be dead of old age before totally electrified self driving vehicles becomes norm?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

100% throttle before and after the crash. Foot was on the floor. I'm guessing he got confused and hit the accelerator instead of the brake. FSD literally NEVER does that.

Tesla finally clarifies fatal Texas crash, confirms driver manually overrode acceleration

Joe

Again, Tesla is making a claim that Tesla is not to blame.

I highly doubt a Tesla employee arrived on the scene before the driver exited the vehicle to personally see that the driver's foot had the accelerator pressed to the floor.

It could be that the driver did press the pedal to the floor and it could be that after the crash the pedal was still at the floor. It could be true. But, a statement from Tesla's head of AI who wants to keep his job and who talked to an engineer who peered at some data which gave the value of a sensor tells me what Tesla concluded and not what the scene of the accident showed.

There is a lot that points to driver error in this case. Great, it probably was driver error. But the investigation into the accident will show that, not the assertions of those who don't want to be blamed.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

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FSD does not ever do this (full throttle into a house).

Joe

Or into the side of a semi trailer? Or into the back of a stopped emergency vehicle?

FSD(S) is not designed to do this and FSD(S) likely didn't do this but it will be the investigation that determines whether FSD(S) actually did it.

[SoxOfRed]

This story and discussion seems like a reminder of so much we see on the interwebs these days. A story that may have a grain of truth (driving the Tesla and there was an accident) then explodes into a hit piece on Teslas, then on electric cars, then driving safety technology. The truth is lost in the discussion. Sensationalism drives these discussion... not reality.

For those who live in the villages, how many have friends who send you every article that talks about how awful it is here? It doesn't match our lived experience. Ask any EV or Tesla owner and you may get a different perspective on how safe those cars are.

[biker1]

It appears that all Tesla did was report the data collected by the car. Specifically, they would know the position of the accelerator at the time of the crash and whether the drive had depressed the accelerator (in which case the driver has overridden FSD or Autopilot).

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Again, Tesla is making a claim that Tesla is not to blame.

I highly doubt a Tesla employee arrived on the scene before the driver exited the vehicle to personally see that the driver's foot had the accelerator pressed to the floor.

It could be that the driver did press the pedal to the floor and it could be that after the crash the pedal was still at the floor. It could be true. But, a statement from Tesla's head of AI who wants to keep his job and who talked to an engineer who peered at some data which gave the value of a sensor tells me what Tesla concluded and not what the scene of the accident showed.

There is a lot that points to driver error in this case. Great, it probably was driver error. But the investigation into the accident will show that, not the assertions of those who don't want to be blamed.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Again, Tesla is making a claim that Tesla is not to blame.

I highly doubt a Tesla employee arrived on the scene before the driver exited the vehicle to personally see that the driver's foot had the accelerator pressed to the floor.

It could be that the driver did press the pedal to the floor and it could be that after the crash the pedal was still at the floor. It could be true. But, a statement from Tesla's head of AI who wants to keep his job and who talked to an engineer who peered at some data which gave the value of a sensor tells me what Tesla concluded and not what the scene of the accident showed.

There is a lot that points to driver error in this case. Great, it probably was driver error. But the investigation into the accident will show that, not the assertions of those who don't want to be blamed.

Probably don’t have to, sent to data base easily pulled up I would imagine IMO Tesla’s are not in 20th century data gathering.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy

100% throttle before and after the crash. Foot was on the floor. I'm guessing he got confused and hit the accelerator instead of the brake. FSD literally NEVER does that.

So the DOT has dropped its investigation, because all the facts are available here on TOTV?

Top auto regulator opens special investigation into deadly Tesla crash | AP News