[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe

The solution being some how getting around the laws of physics as we understand them

That maybe our problem not their’s ?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The rationale of the pro-alien people would be that the aliens being so advanced are able to get here and NOT be detected. Their advanced science means that they have great intellectual capacity and CURIOSITY. So they want to study us like humans study animals in a zoo. They don't want to have contact with us because they want their observational experiment to stay PURE. Our wars and nation-state competitions may be something they want to study because they HAD similarities in their long distant history.

Some need to Education with ancient aliens programs. We are their children so they say. Proof in ancient ruins which we can’t duplicate today.

[Calisport]

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

And the earth was flat 3 or 4 hundred years ago.

There are entire groups of people presently who believe the earth is flat. They have a whole "Flat Earth Society" with membership and everything. They also think that the moon landing was a fake and never happened. It's pretty crazy.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Calisport

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.

One helluva waste of real estate if there isn't.

Mankind throughout recorded history and probably much farther back than that, has ALWAYS seen the race is unique. Something special. Probably a lot easier to do when the only elements there were, were earth, air, fire, and water; and the greater light, the lesser light, and those hundreds of little pinpoint lights up there all revolved around us. Then along came people with names like Newton, Galileo, and Einstein, and all of a sudden we weren't so special any more. Neither is our insignificant little pebble orbiting a nondescript sun tucked away in a far corner of a pretty ordinary galaxy.

The point is this. Given the immensity of the Universe and our own ordinariness, I find it impossible to believe that life arose ONLY on our pebble.

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by eyc234

Repeating what top space scientist has said. So an advanced race that can move across space from a planet outside our solar system, 4.2 light years away(5.8786E+12 miles x 4.2) and they crash on our planet. They are also advanced enough to make this trip but are so scared of us that they do not make contact. Then there is the lack of proof, with approximately 15 billion cellphones in the world that can capture everything in our life in clear color both as still pictures and video but there is not one clear undeniable picture or video ever presented. As for the conspiracies that governments are keeping things secret, that means that not one of the thousands of people in the government and outside contractors has not come forward with undeniable proof, just saying something is not proof, that all of the governments around the world are in cahoots to keep this information secret. Someone in the last 75 years would have needed or wanted to get rich by being the first to put this proof out and cash in.

It's actually worse than that. Your 4.2 light years would be the closest star to Earth, Alpha Centauri, which has no confirmed habitable planets. So it's likely that any travelers would be coming from much farther away. Add to that the need to travel much faster than the speed of light, which is currently believed to be impossible, and the issues with space/time at those speeds, and visitation becomes even less likely.

If you do a little google searching, you'll see that after WW2, many believed that some Nazis escaped to the moon. This was because after the war we discovered their work on rockets, and people knew very little about the complexity of space travel, or about the habitability of the moon. Once the public knowledge of both grew, those beliefs quickly dissipated.

I put UFO's in the same category. If people really understood the complexity of FTL travel, and the vast distances of space, most would understand that it is highly unlikely, even an impossibility that we have ever been visited.

That does not mean their isn't life on other planets. I just believe that it is rare, and far enough away that we will never know on this side of eternity if it exists.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

That maybe our problem not their’s ?

One has to accept the idea that UFOs are of an alien presence first.

[flyguy909]

The UFO phenomenon has intrigued me since I was a teenager and saw 3 one night. Always been an aviation nut and was in Civil Air Patrol at the time and am positive it was not a misidentified aircraft.. for various reasons.

There has been a concerted effort by the government to ridicule incidents, sightings, etc that's only now starting to reverse. The Phoenix lights of '97 is an example.

Navy pilots are on record as tracking UFO's off the south east coast flying into the sea. There's alot of hoaxes out there but also compelling stuff that doesn't make the mainstream news.

[Byte1]

Just another way for "some" to waste their time and our money. I enjoy watching scifi BUT just because I am entertained by it, does not mean that I believe in it or want money wasted on chasing geese or hunting witches.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Battlebasset

It's actually worse than that. Your 4.2 light years would be the closest star to Earth, Alpha Centauri, which has no confirmed habitable planets. So it's likely that any travelers would be coming from much farther away. Add to that the need to travel much faster than the speed of light, which is currently believed to be impossible, and the issues with space/time at those speeds, and visitation becomes even less likely.

If you do a little google searching, you'll see that after WW2, many believed that some Nazis escaped to the moon. This was because after the war we discovered their work on rockets, and people knew very little about the complexity of space travel, or about the habitability of the moon. Once the public knowledge of both grew, those beliefs quickly dissipated.

I put UFO's in the same category. If people really understood the complexity of FTL travel, and the vast distances of space, most would understand that it is highly unlikely, even an impossibility that we have ever been visited.

That does not mean their isn't life on other planets. I just believe that it is rare, and far enough away that we will never know on this side of eternity if it exists.

It was less than 200 years ago that a voyage from America to Australia took around four months, and a trip overland from our east coast to west coast was a journey of more than half a year. If you made it at all.

Today, flight time New York to Sydney is about 22 hours and NY to LA a hair over 6.

We didn't know how to build machines that could fly at near (or in the case of Concorde, over) the speed of sound.

Until we did.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Calisport

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.

If you run a modifies version of the Drake equation with the numbers from the James Webb telescope, you come up with a MINIMUM of 40 TRILLION intelligent civilizations spread across the observable universe. While that sounds like a lot, it's only 40 in our galaxy of 400 billion stars. However, unless Einstein was wrong and practical FTL (and MUCH FTL) travel is possible, no 2 will ever meet each other

[Topspinmo]

Roswell was biggest cover up in America history. You don’t need undertaker for weather balloon.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

One helluva waste of real estate if there isn't.

Mankind throughout recorded history and probably much farther back than that, has ALWAYS seen the race is unique. Something special. Probably a lot easier to do when the only elements there were, were earth, air, fire, and water; and the greater light, the lesser light, and those hundreds of little pinpoint lights up there all revolved around us. Then along came people with names like Newton, Galileo, and Einstein, and all of a sudden we weren't so special any more. Neither is our insignificant little pebble orbiting a nondescript sun tucked away in a far corner of a pretty ordinary galaxy.

The point is this. Given the immensity of the Universe and our own ordinariness, I find it impossible to believe that life arose ONLY on our pebble.

I don't think that is central to the debate , it is more a mater of how common, a large number of things had to occur just so for the condition for organic life as we know it to happen here, how common is the occurrence of "intelligent life ? we only have one data point = pure speculation on top of speculation add to that the speculation on the possibility/ probability of interstellar travel , more speculation.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by flyguy909

The UFO phenomenon has intrigued me since I was a teenager and saw 3 one night. Always been an aviation nut and was in Civil Air Patrol at the time and am positive it was not a misidentified aircraft.. for various reasons.

There has been a concerted effort by the government to ridicule incidents, sightings, etc that's only now starting to reverse. The Phoenix lights of '97 is an example.

Navy pilots are on record as tracking UFO's off the south east coast flying into the sea. There's alot of hoaxes out there but also compelling stuff that doesn't make the mainstream news.

Did you ever think that it doesn't make the mainstream news for a reason? Like, maybe - fantastical mythological fictional conspiracy aliens isn't newsworthy, but rather the stuff of stories told round the campfire to scare campers in the summertime?

Sort of like how you sometimes see "cancer has been cured, but doctors won't tell you how!" garbage on the internet or in the Weekly World News or the National Enquirer. The reason doctors won't tell you how, is because it's not true. It's just someone peddling their snake oil, or pushing an agenda.

Like - "the government is hiding this information and I'm going to tell you all about it!" Conspiracy nonsense. If you know what it is, and can tell me all about it, then - the government didn't do a very good job of hiding it, did they? Or maybe - they're not hiding anything and you're just trying to get attention.

(you meaning - imperial you, not you specifically)

[mraines]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Oh yes, the underwater orb-growing business. I saw a clip of it. I was mostly just very sad for our country that people who are in positions of power actually believe this tripe.

Do you seriously think that in this vast universe we are the only inhabitants?