[Cuervo]

Let's get down to the basics, no matter what he claims his motivation was, this gut is not wrapped too tight. Anyone with half a brain knows if you get caught which is usually the case, you will spend a good portion of the rest of your life behind bars.

Unless you're talking about cooperate greed crime doesn't pay. Just do the math, you steal a $1,000,000 and you get caught the odds are you will do about 10 years in jail, if your smart you can earn that in the same amount of time on the outside and you won't have to share your life in a two by four with a roommate.

Don't waste your time trying to analyze this guy.

[golfing eagles]

This morning's news stated he was charged with SECOND degree murder. I'm not a lawyer, but he picked his target, hunted him down and killed him. If that's not premeditation, I don't know what is.

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

A '"Ghost Gun" is a gun with a home-made receiver with NO serial #.

It is easy to mill from a block of aluminum or via 3D printing. The the receiver can be made to look like a Glock and once you add the addition (Glock) parts, you have what LOOKS like a Glock...

The other arts are easily and LEGALL available to pruchse and have NO identifying markings.

THAT is the definition of a ghost gunt and the media is using the term correctly...

My point was more that the media doesn't actually know. They see a pic where you can't see the serial number and assume it's a ghost gun. If they used the word correctly in this case they just got lucky. They prove pretty routinely they don't know anything about guns, for instance calling an AR 15 a weapon of war.

[Switter]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

I would hope that the jury pool will consist of good Americans who look to the laws of the USA and know premeditated. murder when they see it. As far as the chorus of internet nonsense that this heinous crime has any legitimacy I can’t fathom how any thinking person could side with a murderer. ...

I agree. I am disgusted at the "he had it coming to him." attitude all over the Internet and in the media by what appears to be the majority of people in this country. Maybe that's just the media making it seem that way. I get people's grievances with big corporations but to gun down another human being in cold blood, and shoot him in the back no less, is evil. No due process, no legal representation, just some angry person who feels he was wronged or on some crusade gets to be the judge, jury, and executioner. All I can say is if the majority of people really do feel this way, we are already lost as a country.

[Robbb]

Isn't this a dealth penalty case? He crossed state lines to commit it, its clearly premeditated, wouldn't that make it a federal crime eligible for the death penalty? I have asked this questions in a few forums and no one seems to know.

[Sgt Ed]

Not the way he is singing!

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Robbb

Isn't this a dealth penalty case? He crossed state lines to commit it, its clearly premeditated, wouldn't that make it a federal crime eligible for the death penalty? I have asked this questions in a few forums and no one seems to know.

Not according to this.


7 Situations Where "Murder" Is a Federal Crime

[Bay Kid]

Originally Posted by frayedends

Regardless of how this turns out I would take what the media says with a grain of salt. They throw around “ghost gun” like they have any idea. The pic I saw looked like a stippled Glock. Maybe 3D printed. But they also act like you can print an entire functional gun. They use “manifesto” for anything a suspect has written.

This guy is apparently dumb as a stump having kept as much evidence as possible on his person.

My thoughts at 1st about leaving evidence. So much that I feel he planned on being caught. I believe there is a lot more to this.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

This morning's news stated he was charged with SECOND degree murder. I'm not a lawyer, but he picked his target, hunted him down and killed him. If that's not premeditation, I don't know what is.

In NY, premeditated murder is not first degree murder. First degree murder usually requires that a cop, fireman, judge or other state employee be killed. They don’t care about the rest of us.


Just a moment...

[NotGolfer]

As for a jury...perhaps a bench trial could be offered. The judge then decides.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

The trial will be in New York. From the comments that I have seen online, I think it will be hard to get all 12 jurors to convict. At least one or two jurors will hate insurance companies and will vote to acquit - no matter the evidence.

And I wonder why so many dislike insurance of any kind???? We here haven’t felt the raft of insurance yet but we soon will. IMO health, property, and vehicle insurance should be one payer, Federal government might as well be getting 100s of billions or trillion’s insurance collecting. Don’t’ t say they can’t better job can’t do any worse. Fed usually government bail insurance out anyway.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

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Someone blamed DEI for this. I responded that DEI has nothing to do with it. Their post was deleted, mine was edited by someone other than me, which resulted in an out-of-context to a no-longer-existing post. My opinion stands - DEI had nothing to do with this.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I think you would have to be a pretty dumb prosecutor to lose this case.

Luigi Mangione charged with murder of healthcare CEO - BBC News

That what was of thought of OJ trail or Anthony trial?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

In NY, premeditated murder is not first degree murder. First degree murder usually requires that a cop, fireman, judge or other state employee be killed. They don’t care about the rest of us.


Just a moment...

Figures. I wonder if 1st degree includes "protected classes" or "hate" crimes (I love that term--after all people murder people they love)

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Robbb

Isn't this a dealth penalty case? He crossed state lines to commit it, its clearly premeditated, wouldn't that make it a federal crime eligible for the death penalty? I have asked this questions in a few forums and no one seems to know.

Death penalty IMO will guarantee he will die of old age.