[RLL39]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Since I could not shake a statement I heard out of my mind, I went into research mode. The statement: THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN FOXHOLES,!

Really, well it turns out that is not the case. I found a very good read on the subject.

Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers | Atheists in Foxholes, in Cockpits, and on Ships - Military Association of Atheists & Freethinkers

Please, no offense to anyone, it is just that I am on a constant quest to find the rest of the story i.e. The truth. Only in my weird opinion, does truth out weigh fiction.

Why are scientists true believers? Is there something they know..?
Food for thought whilest in your foxhole. "We are not alone.." Check it out. (sound on).

Hubble Ultra Deep Field 3D

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

All threads take on new personality quickly. I am the OP of this one with one intention. That was to make the case that there are in fact Atheists in foxholes over the centuries. That unfortunately has caught the eye of even one conspiracy theorist. I openly admit that I am not smart or clever enough to configure a conspiracy. Because I have been the victim of my own gullibility I tend not to take every statement as the truth and have became somewhat confident at research to find the real deal. Nothing sneaky here, just that although THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN A FOXHOLE is a very inspiring saying, IT IS NOT A FACT.

So?


I say what I said yesterday. I am an OLD teacher and I can spot a boy spoiling for a fight from thirty paces.


Do you feel better?


Does anyone?

[CraigC]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I tend not to take every statement as the truth and have became somewhat confident at research to find the real deal. Nothing sneaky here, just that although THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN A FOXHOLE is a very inspiring saying, IT IS NOT A FACT.

I can't believe that anyone else believed that this statement was a FACT. I do believe like many sayings, it is a statement that is largely true. Is there anyone else out there that believed that this statement was intended as an absolute fact?

[Villages PL]

I didn't have a strict religious upbringing. On Sunday, anyone who felt like going to church went to church. Usually, it was one of my brothers and my sister who went. Then after our noontime meal, the whole family would go for a drive. I went to church with my brother once and didn't understand what it was all about, so I didn't continue going.

At nine years old I almost died from an asthma attack. I remember thinking that I was going to die. At that time it didn't occur to me to start thinking about anything except trying to get my next breath of air.

Years later I almost drowned while trying to swim in fresh water. I went under water 2 or 3 times. I struggled one last time to get to the surface and a very young boy threw me an inner tube (from an overhead bridge). He saved my life. Again: there was no time to think about anything other than trying to survive.

Twice I had loaded guns pointed at me, but I mostly thought about trying to convince them not to shoot me. And, luckily, I'm still here.

The bottom line: I don't think the threat of death will suddenly change a person. Most of the time there's no time to think about it. And even if there is time, the seeds of belief have to be planted very early in life.

[Cisco Kid]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So?


I say what I said yesterday. I am an OLD teacher and I can spot a boy spoiling for a fight from thirty paces.


Do you feel better?


Does anyone?

[Bucco]

Not sure if I understand the reason behind this thread. If, as the OP states, he is a searcher of truth, read post #13 and go to work...if not enough, I will be happy to supply some.

Seems to me, again, you prey on others beliefs for your entertainment, as you know there is no truth here....just fun for you in riling others.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by BarryRX

I understand what you're saying Kitty, but if I were to say to you that somewhere on Earth there is a squirrel that speaks perfect english, it would not be your task to prove my statement wrong, it would be my task to prove my statement right. It is not illogical to believe that a talking squirrel doesn't exist without proof of its existence. But it is illogical to believe that a talking squirrel does exist without proof. So even though it appears that both statements are just two sides of the same coin, they are not.

How well you illustrate exactly and more to the point than I...
why in all rational thought would one adopt a position against English speaking squirrels?
or equally illogical, against a God who loves you and gave the life of a human-born son out of love?
there is nothing rational about either...perhaps a squirrel talks, or perhaps trillions of believers are wrong.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by capecodbob

The statement "There are no atheists in foxholes" is an aphorism used to argue that in times of extreme stress or fear, such as in war, all people will believe in, or hope for, a higher power.
The origin of the quotation is uncertain. U. S. Military Chaplain William Thomas Cummings may have said it in a field sermon during the Battle of Bataan in 1942.

The above gleaned from Wikipedia.

So there you have it. Having lived a long time I knew it came from WWII. I also have the intellect to know it wasn't to be taken literally. I think the "search for truth" is over.

Beyond that, this thread is in danger of becoming a discussion of competing religious beliefs which can be as acrimonious as the forbidden political discussions, and probably should be closed.

Before that, I will hasten to add that I am an active, believing Christian and prior to my disability was very active in a Southern Baptist Church.

I am more than willing to discuss religion, but I doubt that it will long be tolerated on TOTV.

God Bless you all.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Ohhhh Cisco!

Ohhhh Pancho!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

How well you illustrate exactly and more to the point than I...
why in all rational thought would one adopt a position against English speaking squirrels?
or equally illogical, against a God who loves you and gave the life of a human-born son out of love?
there is nothing rational about either...perhaps a squirrel talks, or perhaps trillions of believers are wrong.

I cannot help but love you, Kitty.


And I am generally a firm advocate of the scientific method.


I love being old-er and not held to anything.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I cannot help but love you, Kitty.


And I am generally a firm advocate of the scientific method.


I love being old-er and not held to anything.

I hold you to be an open-minded, gifted writer and decorator, great mother and wife, and a dear (though not often seen) friend.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

I hold you to be an open-minded, gifted writer and decorator, great mother and wife, and a dear (though not often seen) friend.

I love you Ed Weissenbach and I think of you and your dear family so often.


I wish you all a sweet and blessed Christmas and a peaceful New Year.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Ohhhh Pancho!

Thank (insert name of diety or other word used to describe relief here), someone got the obscure reference. Illness and fatigue have caused me not to make a serious comment on this thread - in other words I am sick and tired of it. (where is that sarcastic icon Joe is advocating for?)

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I love you Ed Weissenbach and I think of you and your dear family so often.


I wish you all a sweet and blessed Christmas and a peaceful New Year.

Back atcha beautiful lady!

[Golfingnut]

Could this link explain the confusion.

Theists Vs. Atheists: Smarter? Healthier? Kinder? : Discovery News

I am going to do some research into atheism. Christians constantly insult my opinions so maybe I will be accepted there.

Any info would be appreciated via PM.