[tucson]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Stephen Hawking makes it clear: There is no God - CNET

Just food for thought.

Lord, I pray for him that You will make yourself real to him! Thank you Lord !

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by tucson

Lord, I pray for him that You will make yourself real to him! Thank you Lord !

Yes, that will definitely change Stephen Hawking's mind, if God would make himself real to him.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by quirky3

I agree! VPL posed a sincere question - "If our body is a temple for God, how come I don't recall any religious people on the health board promoting a healthier lifestyle?" and so far I have not seen any sincere responses. I have seen attacking the poster and dismissing the topic without response. Instead, I'd like to see people respect and respond to the question!

Hi quirky: Combinations an permutations of genes,environment, etc explain the vastness of difference in people physically and philosophically . It is indeed a wonderment to behold this uniqueness and adds to the excitement of being alive and interacting with one another.

If I may be permitted let me offer an alternative explanation. Take for instance the good question you pose concerning the body as a temple for God and your interpretation of it being a need for a healthier lifestyle and one not being promoted by the health board. Others, take a completely different view of the body being temple of God to mean that we should strive to be free from sin, hate, jealousy and remain in a constant state of purity in order to receive God, allow him to live within us and in order to receive his blessings and gifts. Both thoughts are right for those who share "the body being the temple"for God and both share a manner in which to preserve this Godly goal

Again interpretation/opinions vary but I found all posters to be sincere in their comments; albeit some poster may find fault with the manner of presentation of other posters and some offended because the poster disagreed. However disagreement does not mean disloyalty, disrespect nor insincerity because the purpose of the thread was open debate on a question every human being has asked since the beginning of time.

We need more substantive questions in every aspect of living playing, etc like this one and the best manner in which to conduct and to continue such worthy discussion is worth civility objectivity and being non-judgmental

I have enjoyed and often agreed on many of your comments. You are a good human being and engaging.


Personal Best Regards:

[quirky3]

Thanks Mr. Rubicon! "Back at ya!" Hoping to see other genuine responses with substance to them!

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by quirky3

I agree! VPL posed a sincere question - "If our body is a temple for God, how come I don't recall any religious people on the health board promoting a healthier lifestyle?" and so far I have not seen any sincere responses. I have seen attacking the poster and dismissing the topic without response. Instead, I'd like to see people respect and respond to the question!

Quirky and VPL....the scripture in question, 1 corinthians 6, is quoted in context below. It seems crystal clear that the instruction to believers is this...your body is joined to Christ and thus, your flesh should not also be joined sexually with prostitutes.

15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Are you saying that you don't think people change their beliefs, either toward or away from faith, or just that you don't know any that have and so therefore you don't know what caused it? I know many people who have changed their convictions. Some have said why; others have not. It's a private matter and none of my business unless they want to discuss it.

It has been suggested more than once on TOTV that it's possible to become faithful. I'm not sure I know the right way to say it because I don't remember the exact words. It was said that there's a certain way to go about it but not with intellect. You have to be open to it in some way. So I think if people are suggesting that it's possible, I would like to know how it's done.

And I don't think people want to keep their lifestyle choices private so much as they don't want other people constantly lecturing them and shoving their own lifestyle choices down their throats.

I believe someone said on one of the religious threads, "If you don't like the topic of religion, you don't have to read it. You can just pass it up." If you don't read something it can't be shoved down your throat. But it seems like there's more to it than that. They actually want to join in and trash the topic. In other words, if they don't like the subject of health, they don't want anyone else to have it either. So they try to destroy the thread and/or get it shut down. Why can't they just pass it by? Are you suggesting that they can't help themselves?

And so they keep those choices private and turn a deaf ear to the lecturer. Every single darn thing in life does not have to be about food.

The lecturer? Do you think this thread is lecturing about religion? And so what if it is, you don't have to be here if you don't want to. I wouldn't mind if there would be a new thread on religion every day. I wouldn't mind if they started a separate board for religion, and I'm not a religious person. In no way would I ever accuse them of forcing religion down my throat. If I were to lose interest in it, I could just stop reading. Why don't you do the same with whatever displeases you?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I would guess to most people in most religions the quote "Make your body a temple of the Holy Spiritl" generally has connotations relating to the sins of the flesh and the sins against the commandment; Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife.

The interpretation as to what different Christian faith's consider defiling your body are usually sexual in nature.There are some that say that suicide is a sin against your own body.

Staying alive is what most humans have faced in the world before this last 100 years. Staying healthy was a perk if you had the means to persue it . Now staying healthy is a choice we can make.

I think of the quote as more spiritual than physical.

It comes directly from St. Paul's letter to Christians in Corinth about Prostitutes.

But I would guess that VPL would tie it into eating a pure, plant based diet. Just a guess.

Yes, for me it's a pure plant based vegan diet, for various reasons. But I'm not against someone being a vegetarian or even including some lean meat. There are vegetarians who eat some fish, they are called pescetarians. These different ways of eating can be done well or poorly, and I recommend doing them in the best possible way with the least amount of processed junk. It's up to the individual, I can't force anyone to do anything.

[kittygilchrist]

Re the possibility of acquiring faith, two verses come to mind:
Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes from the Word of God.
And
God chose the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe.
The great commission as it is called was Jesus' instruction to go and tell what we have received so that others may hear and believe. And now we have new testament Bibles and electronic media access by which we may also hear the truth...blessings to all who read this.
Kitty

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Yes, that will definitely change Stephen Hawking's mind, if God would make himself real to him.

(Thunder & lightning!!)

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by quirky3

I agree! VPL posed a sincere question - "If our body is a temple for God, how come I don't recall any religious people on the health board promoting a healthier lifestyle?" and so far I have not seen any sincere responses. I have seen attacking the poster and dismissing the topic without response. Instead, I'd like to see people respect and respond to the question!

Thanks, quirky, your reply is much appreciated.

My explanation: I think it's too difficult for most people. And there are some who think the temple concept it's limited to the spiritual realm. I would disagree with that.

What do religious people often say when a baby is born? "It's a gift from God." I think that's well established in religious circles - life is a gift from God. So, how would one show their appreciation to God for such a wonderful gift? By trashing it or by taking care of it?

[rubicon]

If you don't like the subject of health........... If you don't like the subject of religion don't read it , pass it up..........but don't trash it because you do not want anyone else to read it................................. I agree if the only intent is to abruptly end the conversation.

One of the problems we often find with subjects such the above-mentioned is that both proponent and opponent feel strongly about their subject matter. So if a poster is on a roll to pitching a point s/he feels is a panacea then s/he can be quickly taken aback when another poster posit an entire different point of view and especially one that is direct competition to the original poster's revelation. I believe this reaction counter reaction is common place between scientist for many reasons among them the heavy investment made in such projects, ego, competition.......................

Likewise with religion where the heavy investment is emotional because of deep seated feeling and the energy needed to complete this process of pure love and commitment.

I suspect that is why some people stay away from the subjects of religion and politics.

In my case I stay away from the subject of cooking because I get very emotional about how some food should be prepared and there is only one way to do it...its my way or the highway

[quirky3]

Exactly! If you don't want to read about a topic, don't! But don't trash others and their views - that's just hurtful.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Stephen Hawking makes it clear: There is no God - CNET

Just food for thought.

Better food for thought:
Ever wonder how they knew there would be people like Hawkins and warned us against them.


Psalms 14:1

King James Version of Psalms 14:1.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Better food for thought:
Ever wonder how they knew there would be people like Hawkins and warned us against them.


Psalms 14:1

King James Version of Psalms 14:1.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Well then there you go. THEY were right. They wouldn't want someone going around popping their bubble.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Walter123

Well then there you go. THEY were right. They wouldn't want someone going around popping their bubble.

The "they" referred to was King David about 3,000 years ago, doubtful he was worrying about his bubble...