[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I find that statement interesting. At what age were you, "in the chair of unbelief?" What happened that caused you to believe? Did you have religious training as a child? I just wonder how this transformation takes place because I have never known anyone, friends or family, to change one way or the other.



Keeping quiet about the dangers ahead: In your opinion, does that also apply to food and health? There was a recent article (09-13-14) in the Daily Sun lifestyle section. The heading was: "Staying fit for Him". The subheading was: "Church groups focus on better health, overall wellness".

In this article the Rev. Marilyn Anell, director of pastoral care at New Covenant United Methodist Church, said the following: "Our body is a temple for God and it's up to us to keep it healthy by exercising and eating the right food."

My comment: Many people seem to think that lifestyle choices, like what we eat, are to be kept private. Just as with religion, they think food choices etc. should not be talked about. If you suggest a healthy lifestyle they will often say, "I'm tired of people telling me how I should eat."

If our body is a temple for God, how come I don't recall any religious people on the health board promoting a healthier lifestyle? Is it too personal?

I thought sooner or later we would get to this issue.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I find that statement interesting. At what age were you, "in the chair of unbelief?" What happened that caused you to believe? Did you have religious training as a child? I just wonder how this transformation takes place because I have never known anyone, friends or family, to change one way or the other.



Keeping quiet about the dangers ahead: In your opinion, does that also apply to food and health? There was a recent article (09-13-14) in the Daily Sun lifestyle section. The heading was: "Staying fit for Him". The subheading was: "Church groups focus on better health, overall wellness".

In this article the Rev. Marilyn Anell, director of pastoral care at New Covenant United Methodist Church, said the following: "Our body is a temple for God and it's up to us to keep it healthy by exercising and eating the right food."

My comment: Many people seem to think that lifestyle choices, like what we eat, are to be kept private. Just as with religion, they think food choices etc. should not be talked about. If you suggest a healthy lifestyle they will often say, "I'm tired of people telling me how I should eat."

If our body is a temple for God, how come I don't recall any religious people on the health board promoting a healthier lifestyle? Is it too personal?

Are you saying that you don't think people change their beliefs, either toward or away from faith, or just that you don't know any that have and so therefore you don't know what caused it? I know many people who have changed their convictions. Some have said why; others have not. It's a private matter and none of my business unless they want to discuss it.

And I don't think people want to keep their lifestyle choices private so much as they don't want other people constantly lecturing them and shoving their own lifestyle choices down their throats. And so they keep those choices private and turn a deaf ear to the lecturer. Every single darn thing in life does not have to be about food.

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Keeping quiet about the dangers ahead: In your opinion, does that also apply to food and health? There was a recent article (09-13-14) in the Daily Sun lifestyle section. The heading was: "Staying fit for Him". The subheading was: "Church groups focus on better health, overall wellness".

In this article the Rev. Marilyn Anell, director of pastoral care at New Covenant United Methodist Church, said the following: "Our body is a temple for God and it's up to us to keep it healthy by exercising and eating the right food."

My comment: Many people seem to think that lifestyle choices, like what we eat, are to be kept private. Just as with religion, they think food choices etc. should not be talked about. If you suggest a healthy lifestyle they will often say, "I'm tired of people telling me how I should eat."

If our body is a temple for God, how come I don't recall any religious people on the health board promoting a healthier lifestyle? Is it too personal?

ITA, I never eat farm raised fish, but I keep it to myself to avoid being mocked.

YOU BE YOU.

[tcxr750]

I'll drink to that!

[DAWN MARIE]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Are you saying that you don't think people change their beliefs, either toward or away from faith, or just that you don't know any that have and so therefore you don't know what caused it? I know many people who have changed their convictions. Some have said why; others have not. It's a private matter and none of my business unless they want to discuss it.

And I don't think people want to keep their lifestyle choices private so much as they don't want other people constantly lecturing them and shoving their own lifestyle choices down their throats. And so they keep those choices private and turn a deaf ear to the lecturer. Every single darn thing in life does not have to be about food.

Exactly. We should never try to force feed anyone who isn't interested. It's not going to do a darn bit of good anyway so why bother?

As far as change who isn't excited when they make some sort of a lifestyle change whether it be to quit smoking, drinking, lose weight, join a gym, start running, etc? How much more so when you finally come to the realization that God has chosen you from the beginning of eternity? I have yet to see someone come face to face with their sin and understanding of who they are and who God is and keep quiet. We see example after example of those running to town to tell others what Jesus did for them both in Scripture and in our world today. Whether it be that he healedl them physically or spiritually. The proper response is to be elated and want to share with others. I never understood the whole "keep it to yourself" mentality. I guess there are times to speak and not to speak but generally when the opportunity arises we are supposed to share with others what God has done for us and how he's changed our lives for eternity.

When we lose 20, 30, 40 or 100 lbs or quit smoking after years of doing so, I don't think it's normative for people to not tell others about it. It's encouraging to help others who are looking for ways to get out of the situations they are in after we found a way out ourselves. Is it not? How much more so when we realize the Good News and Hope for our future and understand that this is not all there is? There is much more to look forward to as God has planned a spectacular future for us that eyes have not seen nor ears heard.

I believe in the creation account of the bible and have no problem with it after studying it for years. But at the same time have no problem with God using a "big bang." If he spoke it into existence as I read the account that he did, I can almost hear the boom of his voice as he started the creative process.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

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I thought sooner or later we would get to this issue.

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[dbussone]

Originally Posted by CFrance

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Well that just about says it all. Woo Hoo! Great cartoon. Time to close this thread?

[rubicon]

This is one of those rare threads that has some substance and finds the poster actual exercise circumspection re-thinking his/her position on such an important matter. Posters were genuine, polite, thought provoking, sincere

William James Philosopher/Psychologist writes "Any attempt to demonstrate by an intellectual process to the deliver the truth to God 's existence is impossible. Science establishes no beliefs it only destroys old ones.

The gods we stand by are the gods we need and use, the gods whose demands on us are reinforcements of our demands on ourselves and one another. Most require a more personal God

The role of religion, is not its consideration of logic but the role it has played in that mysterious entity known as human nature which is itself outside the realm of reason.

I remain neutral. I remain a bystander"

Like I said I don't know?


PS I hope we have many more substantive discussions like this one

[mrdarcy]

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...BOOM! Mystery of Big Bang solved.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by mrdarcy

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...BOOM! Mystery of Big Bang solved.

Woo Hoo! Amen, let us keep it simple, God spoke it (the world) into existence. :-)

[quirky3]

Originally Posted by rubicon

This is one of those rare threads that has some substance and finds the poster actual exercise circumspection re-thinking his/her position on such an important matter. Posters were genuine, polite, thought provoking, sincere

William James Philosopher/Psychologist writes "Any attempt to demonstrate by an intellectual process to the deliver the truth to God 's existence is impossible. Science establishes no beliefs it only destroys old ones.

The gods we stand by are the gods we need and use, the gods whose demands on us are reinforcements of our demands on ourselves and one another. Most require a more personal God

The role of religion, is not its consideration of logic but the role it has played in that mysterious entity known as human nature which is itself outside the realm of reason.

I remain neutral. I remain a bystander"

Like I said I don't know?


PS I hope we have many more substantive discussions like this one

I agree! VPL posed a sincere question - "If our body is a temple for God, how come I don't recall any religious people on the health board promoting a healthier lifestyle?" and so far I have not seen any sincere responses. I have seen attacking the poster and dismissing the topic without response. Instead, I'd like to see people respect and respond to the question!

[graciegirl]

Clearly it means to live a pure life in the spiritual sense.

[Walter123]

Stephen Hawking makes it clear: There is no God - CNET

Just food for thought.

[Walter123]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God's_Not_Dead_(film)

More food for thought.

[graciegirl]

I would guess to most people in most religions the quote "Make your body a temple of the Holy Spiritl" generally has connotations relating to the sins of the flesh and the sins against the commandment; Thou shall not covet your neighbor's wife.

The interpretation as to what different Christian faith's consider defiling your body are usually sexual in nature.There are some that say that suicide is a sin against your own body.

Staying alive is what most humans have faced in the world before this last 100 years. Staying healthy was a perk if you had the means to persue it . Now staying healthy is a choice we can make.

I think of the quote as more spiritual than physical.

It comes directly from St. Paul's letter to Christians in Corinth about Prostitutes.

But I would guess that VPL would tie it into eating a pure, plant based diet. Just a guess.