[blueash]

Taliban, Sharia law, fundamentalist rigidity and absolute certainty of only one truth, THE truth, THE BOOK, my GOD, and if you don't believe me, here are more lines from my BOOK. Oh sorry, that was the Christian bible, not the Koran, oh sorry, apologizing and bowing low.

[Sophie11]

Never be sorry for the TRUTH? When a man and a woman get married they become one. A true man of GOD would never hurt his wife because it would be like he cut off his foot!

[tedquick]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Pope Francis has just reiterated what has been Roman Catholic for the past 50 years or more, that the Big Bang Theory and Evolution are not inconsistent with RC doctrine. "God is not a magician" -his words not mine.

You are, of course, right! God is NOT a magician. He is the Creator of everything. The Creator needs no magic.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Can you find me a quote in any of our founding documents that declare that we are to be a "Christian" nation?

Anyone would have to agree our founding fathers relied heavily on God for strength and direction as shown in the video link below..

The course we are on now will only bring more sorrows and pain to this country.

“Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.”
― Ronald Reagan

U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Pope Francis has just reiterated what has been Roman Catholic for the past 50 years or more, that the Big Bang Theory and Evolution are not inconsistent with RC doctrine. "God is not a magician" -his words not mine.

Evolution vs GOD

Why do so many have so much faith in evolution but deny the creator and savior?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0u3-2CGOMQ#t=61

[allus70]

"If you are a true believer in the big bang theory, then you should know Creation took place, therefore there is a creator. Therefore, God exists!"

If Creation is dependent upon a Creator, who created the Creator?
If the Creator didn't require yet another Creator, but always existed, why can't this also be true of all Creation?

[tucson]

Originally Posted by tedquick

You are, of course, right! God is NOT a magician. He is the Creator of everything. The Creator needs no magic.

VERY true , God is NOT a magician. He is the only One who creates life from speaking His Words. Too bad there are so many people who believe the Pope.

[tedquick]

Originally Posted by allus70

"If you are a true believer in the big bang theory, then you should know Creation took place, therefore there is a creator. Therefore, God exists!"

If Creation is dependent upon a Creator, who created the Creator?
If the Creator didn't require yet another Creator, but always existed, why can't this also be true of all Creation?

There is strong evidence that there was indeed a Big Bang which would then seem to preclude an "always universe".

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by tedquick

There is strong evidence that there was indeed a Big Bang which would then seem to preclude an "always universe".

Nahh. It only begs the obvious question...what was before the Big Bang? Doesn't have to be nothing.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Anyone would have to agree our founding fathers relied heavily on God for strength and direction as shown in the video link below..

The course we are on now will only bring more sorrows and pain to this country.

“Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.”
― Ronald Reagan

U.S. Capitol Tour with David Barton

I don't agree thus completely refuting your statement. Your choice to speak in absolutes is congruent with the absolutist world view of ideologues. David Barton is hardly a source I would rely on for a history lesson. You may if you like but this Anyone does not.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by allus70

"If you are a true believer in the big bang theory, then you should know Creation took place, therefore there is a creator. Therefore, God exists!"

If Creation is dependent upon a Creator, who created the Creator?
If the Creator didn't require yet another Creator, but always existed, why can't this also be true of all Creation?

You are confusing science and faith. Scientists don't believe in the big bang, they accept it, they understand it, they study it, they modify it, they analyze it. Belief is a religious term. Do you believe in gravity? Do believe in electricity? Do you believe in molecules or algebra or oxygen?

Science is subject to refutation. It proudly announces its weaknesses and asks that anyone who can further elucidate the unknown tweak the theory, do the work (mental and/or physical) and advance science. Religion can be rigid, denying refutation, it claims its own perfection, and it attacks in its more virulent forms, any attempt to be tweaked or advanced.

If you choose to "believe" in a creator that is certainly a common belief. But it is not a belief subject to testing, refutation or adjustment. Faith is not science, science is not faith. I don't understand why that is so difficult for some to grasp.

[Villages PL]

This thread is getting a little long in the tooth. Has anything been proved yet, one way or the other?

No, neither the "Big Bang Theory" nor the existence of God can be proved conclusively. In the first case, science can only take us so far and in the second case, the existence of God is based on faith.

[KeepingItReal]

Originally Posted by blueash

I don't agree thus completely refuting your statement. Your choice to speak in absolutes is congruent with the absolutist world view of ideologues. David Barton is hardly a source I would rely on for a history lesson. You may if you like but this Anyone does not.

Anyone willing to consider the facts would agree. Refuting the facts doesn't really make any difference and is totally expected. The evidence is clear, well documented, and indisputable. Those that choose to ignore the facts won't ever change or have a clear understanding since they refuse to consider the facts and rely on theories and unproven speculations. Gladly willing to look at any credible evidence anyone has that proves the opposite but then there really is none ever presented.

[tedquick]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Nahh. It only begs the obvious question...what was before the Big Bang? Doesn't have to be nothing.

While it does not have to be "nothing", many physicists have indicated that, based upon their mathematical models, there was nothing before the big bang. While math was one of my favorite subjects I am not a mathematician. I therefore rely on others for my evidence.

[onslowe]

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal

Anyone willing to consider the facts would agree. Refuting the facts doesn't really make any difference and is totally expected. The evidence is clear, well documented, and indisputable. Those that choose to ignore the facts won't ever change or have a clear understanding since they refuse to consider the facts and rely on theories and unproven speculations. Gladly willing to look at any credible evidence anyone has that proves the opposite but then there really is none ever presented.

KeepingItReal, You mean that more than Thomas Jefferson were involved in the lengthy debates, articles and drafting of the Bill of Rights? Wow. Next you'll tell me the Constitution didn't really see the light of day until 1802 when Jefferson wrote his letter to the Danbury Baptists! Wow.