[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If I'm not mistaken, that story is about 20 years old (10-17-94). I seem to remember when it first came out; it was very exciting news. I began to wonder if my family might have the same gene. My extended family (as I was growing up) was very large and I never heard of anyone having heart disease. Cancer, yes, but not heart disease.

I'm pretty sure I can eat all the meat, butter and eggs etc that I want without having to worry about heart disease. But what about cancer? According to research information from the China study, as well as other large scale studies, animal protein promotes cancer. And cancer is exactly what I have a family history of.

So, back to your story, what happened? If transferring this special gene was going to work, it should have worked by now.

Gene lines are not kept pure with intermarriage. They don't strengthen unless someone marries another with corresponding genetic components.

In dogs that is called breeding for certain goals.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Villages Pl - from what I know of you and your posts I think I can safely assume you live a perfectly healthy lifestyle - so, I'm curious if this didn't produce the results you expect and you need a bypass are you going to turn it down because you obviously didn't do something right? I think there are a whole lot of other areas where the personal responsibility you speak of might make a huge difference in what funds were available for folks that have worked hard all their lives and may need some medical help in their older years. Maybe it's time to lighten up and live and let live.

If you know of a whole lot of other areas where personal responsibility might make a huge difference, please let us all in on it. Don't keep all those good ideas to yourself. We need good ideas!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

If you know of a whole lot of other areas where personal responsibility might make a huge difference, please let us all in on it. Don't keep all those good ideas to yourself. We need good ideas!

In our family this would be an example of personal responsibility; If the doctor said to you that you have a history of colon cancer, you should have a colonoscopy, you would not ignore him.

If the doctor said that frequent urination is often a symptom of aging but could be a symptom of testicular cancer and it would be wise to have more tests, then you have more tests.

If the doctor suggests that you wear a Holter Monitor for 24 hours because he hears an unusual rythem, you wear a Holter Monitor.

If your doctor says that your magnesium is low and that adding leafy greens and fish into your diet would help, you add leafy greens and fish to your diet.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

No more useless medical procedures for lifestyle diseases such as heart bypass operations for coronary artery disease. This is a huge expense and is only one of many. Hundreds of billions of dollars are spent every year for diseases that are caused by poor lifestyle choices.

Originally Posted by CFrance

OP refuses to believe any disease cannot be prevented or cured with anything other than plants. And any disease you get is your fault. It's a narrow-minded, uninformed view in my opinion.

Originally Posted by dbussone

I think the poster comes up with pseudo-scientific sounding articles that he believes support his position. Faced with a question he doesn't understand or like, he deflects by raising another topic or by responding to your question with a question.

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Pompous is much too mild.
Someone who advocates withholding medical procedures from a patient who hasn't followed his "anointed" diet is beneath contempt.

I join you in your comments.
The OP has suggested in previous threads that medical intervention should be withheld for people who don't adhere to his idea of an appropriate lifestyle.
Death Panels? What a barbaric suggestion.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I join you in your comments.
The OP has suggested in previous threads that medical intervention should be withheld for people who don't adhere to his idea of an appropriate lifestyle.
Death Panels? What a barbaric suggestion.

Maybe op is looking to improve better tee times, less wait in restaurants and more preowned homes. Our oldest has cholesterol over 350. Dr said change his diet. He has been veggie head for 30 years with fresh salmon twice a week. Weight less than 130 and in summers walks more than 600 miles thru the wild of Alaska. Find a fix for that

[Cisco Kid]

The duck says what ?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

The duck says what ?

Exactly.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Challenger

I am 77- had heart triple by pass at 66.At the time was quite slim, ran 20mi plus a week, played golf, private pilot. did not drink alcohol , never smoked. My disease is hereditary. Would you proposing that I should have had a death sentence??

Hmmmmmmmmmmmn!

I don't think it would have been a death sentence. If this program had been in place back then, when you were 66, I assume there would have been safeguards in place. There would be massive education to the public and warnings to get tested for heart disease. So you go to get tested and your doctor certifies your condition as "genetic". He then gives you a card to carry in your wallet. If you were to get a heart attack while out shopping, or wherever, that card would be like a coupon entitling you to one free bypass operation. See, there's no need to worry.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

There would be massive education to the public and warnings to get tested for heart disease. So you go to get tested and your doctor certifies your condition as "genetic". He then gives you a card to carry in your wallet. If you were to get a heart attack while out shopping, or wherever, that card would be like a coupon entitling you to one free bypass operation. See, there's no need to worry.

What a barbaric concept! No need to worry?
Without a card, a person is refused critical medical treatment?

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I don't think it would have been a death sentence. If this program had been in place back then, when you were 66, I assume there would have been safeguards in place. There would be massive education to the public and warnings to get tested for heart disease. So you go to get tested and your doctor certifies your condition as "genetic". He then gives you a card to carry in your wallet. If you were to get a heart attack while out shopping, or wherever, that card would be like a coupon entitling you to one free bypass operation. See, there's no need to worry.

Everything really all comes down to genetics. Did you know that if your parents never had any children, there is a 100% chance you wouldn't have any either?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by DougB

Everything really all comes down to genetics. Did you know that if your parents never had any children, there is a 100% chance you wouldn't have any either?

I didn't know that! I guess that explains why there are no baby dinosaurs walking around.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

What a barbaric concept! No need to worry?
Without a card, a person is refused critical medical treatment?

No, they are not refused. If they have private insurance coverage or money to pay for the operation, they can get it. Those who can't pay (for non-genetic heart disease) wouldn't be able to run Medicare & Medicaid bankrupt because they refuse to follow a healthy lifestyle.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

No, they are not refused. If they have private insurance coverage or money to pay for the operation, they can get it.

And if they don't have money or private insurance, they're thrown out on the street to die?
You may be physically healthy as you have reminded us again and again, but your moral compass is sadly broken!

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

No, they are not refused. If they have private insurance coverage or money to pay for the operation, they can get it. Those who can't pay (for non-genetic heart disease) wouldn't be able to run Medicare & Medicaid bankrupt because they refuse to follow a healthy lifestyle.

This is such a pile of cow patty. If you truly believe this, and it came to pass, I guarantee you it would happen to you at some point - who knows from what. At that time you would not likely be able to even afford the down payment for the associated hospital bill. So you better have your DNR all lined up.

Here's a link you might enjoy from the Mayo Clinic. http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/ART-20045530

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

No, they are not refused. If they have private insurance coverage or money to pay for the operation, they can get it. Those who can't pay (for non-genetic heart disease) wouldn't be able to run Medicare & Medicaid bankrupt because they refuse to follow a healthy lifestyle.

You're digging yourself in even deeper in the lack of regard for humanity department. So... if I can't afford private health insurance, I die? The rich get to live an unhealthy lifestyle but the poor don't???