[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by olgreeneyes

How would "they" determine whether you lead a healthy lifestyle? Many people have diseases that are hereditary, or just happen. Some bodies naturally make more cholesterol than others, people wtih healthy lifestyles get cancer. Who decides what the guidelines are? And I don't know whether people who haven't made good choices to start with would be good candidates for reform. How many people with lung diseases, or COPD, etc., continue to smoke?

It has been said that cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease, at least not by itself. Cholesterol in the blood has to be oxidized by free radicals to create "toxic LDL". This supposedly wouldn't happen with a diet high in antioxidants, which would likely be the opposite of a high protein diet. As an anecdote, I had a neighbor in The Villages who said her total cholesterol had been up to 300 for years and she had no sign of heart disease.

As far as degenerative diseases being hereditary, sometimes they appear to be but what is often inherited are poor lifestyle habits. People often follow family traditions and habits. In another discussion, not to long ago, I proved that genes can be turned on and off. "Genes are not our destiny." (From the book "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton.)

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

It has been said that cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease, at least not by itself. Cholesterol in the blood has to be oxidized by free radicals to create "toxic LDL". This supposedly wouldn't happen with a diet high in antioxidants, which would likely be the opposite of a high protein diet. As an anecdote, I had a neighbor in The Villages who said her total cholesterol had been up to 300 for years and she had no sign of heart disease.

As far as degenerative diseases being hereditary, sometimes they appear to be but what is often inherited are poor lifestyle habits. People often follow family traditions and habits. In another discussion, not to long ago, I proved that genes can be turned on and off. "Genes are not our destiny." (From the book "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton.)

Here's a link to an interesting article about a genetic fault in an Italian family. Despite a high fat diet and high cholesterol, they have a specific gene that overcomes the effect of the cholesterol.
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-...artery-disease

[gomoho]

Villages Pl - from what I know of you and your posts I think I can safely assume you live a perfectly healthy lifestyle - so, I'm curious if this didn't produce the results you expect and you need a bypass are you going to turn it down because you obviously didn't do something right? I think there are a whole lot of other areas where the personal responsibility you speak of might make a huge difference in what funds were available for folks that have worked hard all their lives and may need some medical help in their older years. Maybe it's time to lighten up and live and let live.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

It has been said that cholesterol doesn't cause heart disease, at least not by itself. Cholesterol in the blood has to be oxidized by free radicals to create "toxic LDL". This supposedly wouldn't happen with a diet high in antioxidants, which would likely be the opposite of a high protein diet. As an anecdote, I had a neighbor in The Villages who said her total cholesterol had been up to 300 for years and she had no sign of heart disease.

As far as degenerative diseases being hereditary, sometimes they appear to be but what is often inherited are poor lifestyle habits. People often follow family traditions and habits. In another discussion, not to long ago, I proved that genes can be turned on and off. "Genes are not our destiny." (From the book "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton.)

Could you validate these strange statements?

I think you don't really understand the basics of genetics. It is very complex.

And read this about Bruce Lipton. https://www.metabunk.org/threads/deb...f-belief.1003/

[DougB]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Can you give some (non-political) ideas on how to solve this problem?

I'll start the discussion with this suggestion: One idea might be called "tough love". No more useless medical procedures for lifestyle diseases such as heart bypass operations for coronary artery disease. This is a huge expense and is only one of many. Hundreds of billions of dollars are spent every year for diseases that are caused by poor lifestyle choices.

Get back to us when you need a bypass and we can discuss it.

[Polar Bear]

Every time I think health-related topics can't get any sillier...

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Could you validate these strange statements?

I think you don't really understand the basics of genetics. It is very complex.

And read this about Bruce Lipton. https://www.metabunk.org/threads/deb...f-belief.1003/

Your request and comment are on target for the poster. I think the poster comes up with pseudo-scientific sounding articles that he believes support his position. Faced with a question he doesn't understand or like, he deflects by raising another topic or by responding to your question with a question.

[rockyisle]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

By not doing heart bypass operations for many people with clogged arteries, you'll solve the aging population "problem" by sentencing them die within a couple of weeks. Very efficient method.

Birth rate is the other factor involved. Obviously the baby boomer parents reproduced much more and faster than now.

Does anyone really think the media, Hollywood and Washington are going to campaign for young people to have more babies so there are once again 6 working taxpayers supporting each SS and medicare beneficiary, instead of 2???

I certainly don't think so.

It's feels like that hidden agenda is already in place. I see women's reproductive rights being stripped away each year. Until this moment, it really had not dawned on me that this just might be the unspoken reason. Hmmmm

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Can you give some (non-political) ideas on how to solve this problem?

I'll start the discussion with this suggestion: One idea might be called "tough love". No more useless medical procedures for lifestyle diseases such as heart bypass operations for coronary artery disease. This is a huge expense and is only one of many. Hundreds of billions of dollars are spent every year for diseases that are caused by poor lifestyle choices.

What happened to the original first question with the link to the rich guy?

Also, fourteen people messaged me that I missed a whole discussion about britches or bloomers that was deleted. Boy you can't even go out to dinner around here or you'll miss something good.

[Villager Joyce]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What happened to the original first question with the link to the rich guy?

Also, fourteen people messaged me that I missed a whole discussion about britches or bloomers that was deleted. Boy you can't even go out to dinner around here or you'll miss something good.

I was part of that. In fact, it was my britches being discussed. I didn't think I could get away with saying pompous , but I had to try. Let me know when you are going out and I will go off line til you get back.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What happened to the original first question with the link to the rich guy?

Also, fourteen people messaged me that I missed a whole discussion about britches or bloomers that was deleted. Boy you can't even go out to dinner around here or you'll miss something good.

I took a friend to Tampa on Tuesday. Boy did I miss some exciting posts. I know what you mean

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Villager Joyce

I was part of that. In fact, it was my britches being discussed. I didn't think I could get away with saying pompous , but I had to try. Let me know when you are going out and I will go off line til you get back.

Yep. Censored.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What happened to the original first question with the link to the rich guy?

Also, fourteen people messaged me that I missed a whole discussion about britches or bloomers that was deleted. Boy you can't even go out to dinner around here or you'll miss something good.

See post #11. I don't think OP ever gave a link to the article, but I googled billionaire sees, blah, blah, blah, and it came right up. My guess is that OP didn't give the link because the billionaire's point was not about health, but about finances. OP was using it as a springboard back into his own agenda.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by CFrance

See post #11. I don't think OP ever gave a link to the article, but I googled billionaire sees, blah, blah, blah, and it came right up. My guess is that OP didn't give the link because the billionaire's point was not about health, but about finances. OP was using it as a springboard back into his own agenda.

One oh the OPs typical ploys.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by Villager Joyce

I didn't think I could get away with saying pompous , but I had to try.

Pompous is much too mild.
Someone who advocates withholding medical procedures from a patient who hasn't followed his "anointed" diet is beneath contempt.