[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Electric Mandates Have California Truckers Charging Overtime - WSJ

Electric Mandates Have California Truckers Charging Overtime - WSJ

Not thinking that this scenario was the intended outcome, but then again, CA govt was a bulb that has never lit up to be seen.

Not sure which link will work, or if either link will work for everyone, posted with no guarantee of visibility. This was a link which I clicked on and was visible to me and i read, and I was not logged into the WSJ, so apologies if it doesn't work for you. . has to be a disclaimer as someone turned me in for a link which was behind a paywall for them, but not for me and I don't know why i could see it and they couldn't, even when not being logged into the site. I will copy and paste the article if requested if the link doesn't work

Good thread subject to talk about.Right now at this point in time the article made the point that the drivers are making less money with the electric rigs than with diesel rigs. OK, but let us NOT forget that electric vehicles are in their infancy compared to gas and diesel vehicles that are like OLD men. AT one point the driver had to drive about 30 miles out of his way to find a charger. That will certainly be improved in the next FEW years even without any technology improvement. It is hard to put a price on CLEAN air and quieter roads and quiet for the driver. CLEAN air certainly in the future will extend the useful lives of humans from fewer chest cancer problems and other health problems.
........Electric motors have the potential to have MUCH lower maintenance costs than the internal combustion engine. This will be a BIG factor in favor of E-vehicles in the future. With E-vehicles you are getting clean air and less maintenance. Anyway in 20 years there may be zero oil.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Philadelphia Owns 261 EVs but Only 107 Chargers… This leaves about 150 city EVs with no dedicated place to recharge, and many of them are competing with other city EVs or consumers for places to connect. The local NBC news affiliate found that many of the city chargers are located in fleet shops, police districts, and prisons, where they are not accessible to other city EVs. To make it worse, the Licenses and Inspections (LI) Department reported that none of the city’s EV charging stations obtained the required electric permits before they were installed. The LI Department has ticketed at least 46 of the 57 city charging sites. The LI Department has 115 EVs, the most of any department, but none of the city’s charging stations are at the department’s office buildings or parking lots.

The deputy director of energy services, who oversees Philadelphia’s EVs and charging stations, thinks there was some confusion about the need for permits. It’s funny until you consider that the city is writing violation tickets, which eventually will be paid by the offending departments with taxpayer funds.

We are in a period of RAPID TECHNICAL CHANGES. One of which is from fossil fuel vehicles to electric vehicles. There are ALWAYS going to be IMPERFECTIONS in these types of changeovers. The changeover from horse-and-buggy to fossil fuel vehicles took many years and required many problems to be solved.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Oh, do NOT underestimate the power of the CA Franchise Tax Board! They’re WORSE than the IRS! They reached into my back pocket while a GA resident—after 15 years—merely because I paid my father’s caretaker (he lived in CA) as an employee of my GA corporation. They said I was “doing business” in their State and thus subject to their corp and income taxes. Pure BS!

Sounds like Ca. caught someone manipulating their laws.

[melpetezrinski]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

It’s not a scam, property and casualty insurance companies are in the business of profitably underwriting, pricing, and diversifying risk. Statistically significant data has proven that customers with lower credit scores are more likely to file tenuous claims and are therefore riskier to insure. Hence the higher premiums based on inferior credit scores. Without this credit based pricing adjustment, everyone would be charged higher premiums, effectively requiring those with better credit to subsidize others.

Great post! I'm amazed that people don't understand this basic concept and even boast about not needing good credit anymore.

[Vermilion Villager]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Electric Mandates Have California Truckers Charging Overtime - WSJ

Electric Mandates Have California Truckers Charging Overtime - WSJ

Not thinking that this scenario was the intended outcome, but then again, CA govt was a bulb that has never lit up to be seen.

Not sure which link will work, or if either link will work for everyone, posted with no guarantee of visibility. This was a link which I clicked on and was visible to me and i read, and I was not logged into the WSJ, so apologies if it doesn't work for you. . has to be a disclaimer as someone turned me in for a link which was behind a paywall for them, but not for me and I don't know why i could see it and they couldn't, even when not being logged into the site. I will copy and paste the article if requested if the link doesn't work

First....this is a "hypothitical" situation. Considering the law just went into effect today, I doubt anybody has lost anything.
Also...The law only applies to NEW vehicles....for legacy vehicles nothing has changed From CARB:
Drayage fleets. Beginning January 1, 2024, trucks must be registered in the CARB Online System to conduct drayage activities in California. Non-zero-emission “legacy” drayage trucks may register in the CARB Online System through December 31, 2023. Legacy drayage trucks can continue to operate through their minimum useful life. Beginning January 1, 2024, only zero-emission drayage trucks may register in the CARB Online System. All drayage trucks entering seaports and intermodal railyards would be required to be zero-emission by 2035.
Don't you EV haters ever give up???

[ithos]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

First....this is a "hypothitical" situation. Considering the law just went into effect today, I doubt anybody has lost anything.
Also...The law only applies to NEW vehicles....for legacy vehicles nothing has changed From CARB:
Drayage fleets. Beginning January 1, 2024, trucks must be registered in the CARB Online System to conduct drayage activities in California. Non-zero-emission “legacy” drayage trucks may register in the CARB Online System through December 31, 2023. Legacy drayage trucks can continue to operate through their minimum useful life. Beginning January 1, 2024, only zero-emission drayage trucks may register in the CARB Online System. All drayage trucks entering seaports and intermodal railyards would be required to be zero-emission by 2035.
Don't you EV haters ever give up???

We don't hate EVs. We hate EV mandates being shoved down our throat which will result in a dramatic decline in our productivity and standard of living.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by JRcorvette

Not sure why anyone would by an EV?

Because some of us are not so old and set in our ways to be resistant to change & unable to keep an open mind about new things. An EV is a perfect choice as a second vehicle used for errands, daily commutes under 200 miles, and the things one normally uses a second vehicle for. They are for people who own their own home and can have the charger installed in their garage where all they have to do is plug it in at night & it's always ready to go.

EV's are NOT practical as an your only car. They are NOT for vacations & long trips due to the unreliability of charging infrastructure and the limited range of their batteries. They are also NOT for renters who cannot have a charger located at their home.

But for the first group, EV's are less combustible than gas vehicles (although EV fires are difficult to extinguish). EV's have extremely low maintenance costs because they never need air & oil filters, oil changes, tune ups, injector problems, exhaust system replacement, starters & solenoids, belts & hoses and of course, they never need gas. And they are so nice and quiet with no smelly, noisy exhaust!

People hated the horseless carriage when it first came on the scene. Gas stations used to be few and far and never open at night. When we traveled at night on vacations into Canada in the 50's & 60's, we had to carry extra gas with us. All this will change. Battery tech will improve, range will get longer & longer, reliable chargers will be as plentiful as gas pumps are now, and this generation who is stuck on old school vehicle technology will be dead & gone.

For every story about someone's bad experience with an EV there are a thousand good stories. The bad experiences are so rare & EV's so new that the media likes to focus on them. Bad experiences with gas powered vehicles are so common it's hardly news.

EV's are the future and for a lot of people, are the perfect vehicle.

[Byte1]

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Wait, that’s cannibalism. Like a pig eating leftover bacon?

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

Because some of us are not so old and set in our ways to be resistant to change & unable to keep an open mind about new things. An EV is a perfect choice as a second vehicle used for errands, daily commutes under 200 miles, and the things one normally uses a second vehicle for. They are for people who own their own home and can have the charger installed in their garage where all they have to do is plug it in at night & it's always ready to go.

EV's are NOT practical as an your only car. They are NOT for vacations & long trips due to the unreliability of charging infrastructure and the limited range of their batteries. They are also NOT for renters who cannot have a charger located at their home.

But for the first group, EV's are less combustible than gas vehicles (although EV fires are difficult to extinguish). EV's have extremely low maintenance costs because they never need air & oil filters, oil changes, tune ups, injector problems, exhaust system replacement, starters & solenoids, belts & hoses and of course, they never need gas. And they are so nice and quiet with no smelly, noisy exhaust!

People hated the horseless carriage when it first came on the scene. Gas stations used to be few and far and never open at night. When we traveled at night on vacations into Canada in the 50's & 60's, we had to carry extra gas with us. All this will change. Battery tech will improve, range will get longer & longer, reliable chargers will be as plentiful as gas pumps are now, and this generation who is stuck on old school vehicle technology will be dead & gone.

For every story about someone's bad experience with an EV there are a thousand good stories. The bad experiences are so rare & EV's so new that the media likes to focus on them. Bad experiences with gas powered vehicles are so common it's hardly news.

EV's are the future and for a lot of people, are the perfect vehicle.

In the future they will be powered with Dilithium Crystals.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Good thread subject to talk about.Right now at this point in time the article made the point that the drivers are making less money with the electric rigs than with diesel rigs. OK, but let us NOT forget that electric vehicles are in their infancy compared to gas and diesel vehicles that are like OLD men. AT one point the driver had to drive about 30 miles out of his way to find a charger. That will certainly be improved in the next FEW years even without any technology improvement. It is hard to put a price on CLEAN air and quieter roads and quiet for the driver. CLEAN air certainly in the future will extend the useful lives of humans from fewer chest cancer problems and other health problems.
........Electric motors have the potential to have MUCH lower maintenance costs than the internal combustion engine. This will be a BIG factor in favor of E-vehicles in the future. With E-vehicles you are getting clean air and less maintenance. Anyway in 20 years there may be zero oil.

Sounds like excuses for a weak foundation for one's point of view.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

We are in a period of RAPID TECHNICAL CHANGES. One of which is from fossil fuel vehicles to electric vehicles. There are ALWAYS going to be IMPERFECTIONS in these types of changeovers. The changeover from horse-and-buggy to fossil fuel vehicles took many years and required many problems to be solved.

Hmm, more excuses?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by biker1

Originally Posted by rsmurano:
We are decades away from making EVs a viable choice for a vehicle:
When the countries electrical infrastructure can handle the hundreds of millions of EVs charging on a daily basis;

If all autos were replaced by EVs tomorrow, the amount of electric would need to increase by about 25%. We have about 30 years before this will happen.

I believe that is decades

[Normal]

Hydrogen will be the ultimate fuel source. Why even waste time with the polluting of batteries?

[biker1]

Yes, you would be correct. 30 years is approximately 3 decades ;-). Essentially, gas cars will still be sold, in numbers that matter, for another 10 years or so and they typically stay on the road for about 20 years so gas cars will pretty much disappear in 30 years. By 2030, probably about half of new cars sold will be EVs. In 2023, about 9% of new cars were EVs. There will still be collectors of gas cars but the number will be small enough not to matter in 30 years.

Originally Posted by oldtimes

I believe that is decades