[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

No, it would have to refill with water after dilution

This concept has been debunked. See wikipedia or Popular Mechanics for starting points.

Or, perhaps you prefer conspiracies

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

This concept has been debunked. See wikipedia or Popular Mechanics for starting points.

Or, perhaps you prefer conspiracies

I understand where you are coming from. Let’s just say we sit like the book,”I’m OK, Your Ok.”

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What do you consider consumer pushback? Some have dug in their heels and declared that since the current Admin is pushing EVs they would rather ride horses. Is that the "tremendous consumer pushback" you are referring to? Those "perceived issues" are political, not technical.

While there may be some rejection solely on the basis of disagreeing with climate alarmist mandates, the perceived issues are not political:

-range anxiety
-slow recharging time
-lack of convenient public chargers
-concern over battery life

And I say this as the owner of 2 Teslas. EVs are great IF you can charge safely overnight at home and you don't drive more than 150 miles in an average day.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

As for reducing output, that will not help the manufacturers stop losing money. The amount they are losing is tied to the low number of vehicles sold, not the numbers manufactured. The big money has already been spent to build the production lines, the amount added by a vehicle sitting in a showroom is peanuts.

Well you proved my point about consumer pushback right there. If they are not selling a lot of EVs, it can only be because consumers don't want them.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Well you proved my point about consumer pushback right there. If they are not selling a lot of EVs, it can only be because consumers don't want them.

I see a difference between choosing to not buy and choosing not to buy. One says, “that isn’t what I need/want’” and the other says, “I’m not buying regardless of whether it’s what I need or want.”

Right or wrong, I believe there is less of a pushback against EVs and more of a realization that they don’t meet my needs today. Tomorrow is a different day.

[biker1]

I believe it would be correct to say that the rate of increase of EVs sales has declined. The second derivative of sales. The rate of sales, the first derivative, is still increasing. For example, Tesla’s rate of sales increase has declined from 100% increase YoY in 2022 to about 50% increase YoY in 2023. This should not be a surprise as the rate of sales increase will decline with adoption. EVs were about 9% of new car sales in 2023 and will be higher in 2024. There are many new models coming available and virtually all manufacturers are “all in”.

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Well you proved my point about consumer pushback right there. If they are not selling a lot of EVs, it can only be because consumers don't want them.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Exit tax… good luck with that once exited.

Illinois has an exit tax of sorts. It is a transfer tax paid by the seller of a home at closing. One last boot in the a**.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann

Illinois has an exit tax of sorts. It is a transfer tax paid by the seller of a home at closing. One last boot in the a**.

You know, one would think you could do an initial immigrant tax too. Then something dawns on the entire situation, “taxation without representation “ is not legal or at least not supported by courts.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by biker1

I believe it would be correct to say that the rate of increase of EVs sales has declined. The second derivative of sales. The rate of sales, the first derivative, is still increasing. For example, Tesla’s rate of sales increase has declined from 100% increase YoY in 2022 to about 50% increase YoY in 2023. This should not be a surprise as the rate of sales increase will decline with adoption. EVs were about 9% of new car sales in 2023 and will be higher in 2024. There are many new models coming available and virtually all manufacturers are “all in”.

That is true. But Tesla is unique in that they make only EVs. The regular car manufacturers (GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc) are seeing extremely poor sales of their EVs. If you look at the non-Tesla numbers, thing look bleak.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann

Illinois has an exit tax of sorts. It is a transfer tax paid by the seller of a home at closing. One last boot in the a**.

Except you pay that tax whether you are leaving the state or just moving down the street.

And it is not a statewide tax. Each municipality has its own rules.

[biker1]

Do you have some numbers you can share? I don't expect 2024 will be a great year for GM as they struggle with engineering and cost issues but they are publicly saying they will produce 1 million EVs in 2025. Overall, I expect the percentage of new cars that are EVs in 2024 to exceed 2023.

Originally Posted by Pugchief

That is true. But Tesla is unique in that they make only EVs. The regular car manufacturers (GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc) are seeing extremely poor sales of their EVs. If you look at the non-Tesla numbers, thing look bleak.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by biker1

Do you have some numbers you can share? I don't expect 2024 will be a great year for GM as they struggle with engineering and cost issues but they are publicly saying they will produce 1 million EVs in 2025. Overall, I expect the percentage of new cars that are EVs in 2024 to exceed 2023.

For reference:
GM delays another major EV initiative
GM and Honda ditch plan to build cheaper electric vehicles
GM abandons plan to build 400,000 EVs by mid-2024
WSJ: GM Scales Back EV Plans as Buyers Hesitate

[biker1]

Yes, GM has issues, I already mentioned that. They aren't, however, the only car manufacturer suppling EVs to the US. God help the big 3 if BYD starts importing cars into the US.

Originally Posted by Pugchief

For reference:
GM delays another major EV initiative
GM and Honda ditch plan to build cheaper electric vehicles
GM abandons plan to build 400,000 EVs by mid-2024
WSJ: GM Scales Back EV Plans as Buyers Hesitate

[NoMoSno]

Toyota Cuts Yearly EV Sales Forecast By 39% To Just 123,000 Units | Carscoops

[biker1]

Toyota isn't a player, yet. A 39% reduction of a very small number is just a very smaller number.

Some estimates put the YoY EV growth in the US for 2024 at about 60% to about 13% of new cars being EVs up from about 8 or 9% in 2023.

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

Toyota Cuts Yearly EV Sales Forecast By 39% To Just 123,000 Units | Carscoops