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Originally Posted by Maker

The victim of the alligator attack was interviewed. He said that he heard a noise and went to the front door to investigate. He cracked open the door and the alligator attacked instantly. The man did not go through the door, nor did he not set foot on his porch.
That porch is in the front of his house. The gator is wandering in a neighborhood, perhaps looking for a mate or food. Somebody, maybe a child, was going to encounter that alligator. This incident could happen here too. But it's preventable if some stop the false belief that "it is so rare", or some other lame excuses. Every human life is important.

I have no idea how to stop hawks or eagles, but I do know we can stop alligator attacks if alligators are removed. That's why other animals are not relevant to controlling alligators. Why cannot you handle that problem elsewhere, and stay on topic here?
When someone cannot defend their point of view, they are forced to alternatives. Alternative rule #1 is to deny. Rule #2 is deflect. Both are being repeated. "not a problem" "get professional help" "eagles" "dogs" etc.

Just like snakes in toilets or even coral snake bites. Those happen a little more often but…STILL HAPPEN

[Two Bills]

[QUOTE=Byte1;2195874]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Remember what happened when Mao Zedong declared war on the sparrows.
Upset natures balance at your own risk![/QUOTE]

In that case, maybe we ought to share our gators with other states, such as Arizona and New Mex. Anyone can use fantasy to support their side of a debate.

Fantasy? It happened!
I was pointing out a factual case regarding the balance of nature.
Removing all alligators will increase whatever they prey on, which could lead to other problems.
There is no problem with alligators in TV.
There is a problem however with people who disregard the basics of co-existing with them and nature in general.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Maker

Perhaps you should watch On Patrol Live, where they arrived with the police live, as the incident happened. They had video of the back yard and showed/described the scene.

So how are your efforts in eradicating your nemesis, the alligator coming along? Have you developed your plan yet? Has it been approved? How’s that funding coming along? Or is it still all just bluster without action?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

So how are your efforts in eradicating your nemesis, the alligator coming along? Have you developed your plan yet? Has it been approved? How’s that funding coming along? Or is it still all just bluster without action?

I, too, am very curious how this will turn out. And, since it is only alligators, there should be absolutely zero collateral damage of any kind. Right? Since the gators will be gone, who or what will fill the role gators have in keeping other problematic species under control? Inquiring minds want to know!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Maker

The victim of the alligator attack was interviewed. He said that he heard a noise and went to the front door to investigate. He cracked open the door and the alligator attacked instantly. The man did not go through the door, nor did he not set foot on his porch.
That porch is in the front of his house. The gator is wandering in a neighborhood, perhaps looking for a mate or food. Somebody, maybe a child, was going to encounter that alligator. This incident could happen here too. But it's preventable if some stop the false belief that "it is so rare", or some other lame excuses. Every human life is important.

I have no idea how to stop hawks or eagles, but I do know we can stop alligator attacks if alligators are removed. That's why other animals are not relevant to controlling alligators. Why cannot you handle that problem elsewhere, and stay on topic here?
When someone cannot defend their point of view, they are forced to alternatives. Alternative rule #1 is to deny. Rule #2 is deflect. Both are being repeated. "not a problem" "get professional help" "eagles" "dogs" etc.

Rule #3 is to state how you plan to solve the problem...

Just saying "I want all alligators removed" is not solving anything...

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You're free to believe whatever you wish.

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong...

Gators don't cause the massive property damage and risk to life that deer cause.

Gator's natural predators weren't killed off (like they did with deer), allowing for massive and unprecedented growth in their population. They were literally starving to death, in the winter, due to the lack of an adequate food supply.

Using you analogy of putting down a dog that bites, sure. Let's go with that. Oh, wait... They already do! If a gator gets too big, or shows any aggressive behavior, they are "removed" (read: killed) from TV...

To compare a gator to a palmetto bug in your home is, to use your words, a "lame loosing (sic) argument"...

To the rest of your "argument"... You're all over the map and I've no interest in expanding this discussion to satisfy your folly...

You certainly stated that WELL ! Comparing the destruction that deer can do to what a "herd" of gators can do.... how can one even begin to address someone who thinks like that ? And, who (apparently) has lived with the experience of what deer can do if you are trying to farm. (NOTHING to do with topic here, but wonder how many new or "old" Floridians have read "The Yearling"... and visited the very spot in Florida of the book's setting ? We're not that far from it ! ) At least you pointing out that a gator and a palmetto, using teen slang like "lame", no wonder you had no interest in trying to expand that kind of "discussion"... lol, bravo, save your breath, or in this case, key strokes !

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

How do you think the gators got here, if not via the MASSIVE amount of wetlands surrounding TV? Do you think they stocked the lakes with them? What about the giant snapping turtles in the waters of Sumter Landing?

What about the dangerous snakes? Remove all of them? The bobcats?

Where do you stop?

What you fail to comprehend is that the alligators are NOT a problem, unless someone does something stupid. Just like everything else in life.

Don't drive 100 mph on a rainy night, with your lights off and chances are you won't get hurt.

Don't dive into shallow water and chances are, you won't break your neck.

I know TV is jokingly called "The Bubble". But in reality, one cannot live inside a bubble...

We heard many variations of the things discussed on this thread before we built here. In the over all picture, not just specific to gators, or bobcats, or pythons for that matter, do you ever wonder WHY, of all the places in the world to retire, people will deliberately chose the ones who offer the most open natural preserves (with black bears, bobcats, gators or crocks in some areas, bugs, snakes, moles, raccoons, and really nasty tempered opossums, and even SKUNKS... and then spend their "golden years" complaining that they live surrounded by nature and natural "things" Do people who do not like, or worry about, such things, not know there are many MANY really nice retirement areas that do NOT contain thousands of acres of natural and man made preserves ? ? And, no, I am not one of those "if you don't like it, GET OUT people, many can't do that once settled here. But, just one short visit to the V's and it's obvious that with so many natural environment acres,preserves, retention ponds, and open wildlife areas, that it would not be for everyone ! ?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Maker

Every human life is important.

Actually, not everyone believes that. For example, I doubt I would miss Putin at all. And I am sure he never says a prayer for me.

[Maker]

The plan to get this started needs to begin with looking at money. We need to proactively try to prevent someone getting hurt or a fatality so that when someone gets hurt here, the lawyers cannot sue and expect a big payout.
If we do nothing, how high will the award be? Would the lawyers point out that paths were placed where alligators would likely hide, and are potentially unsafe? Did they know that then and now? What did they do about it? Have attacks happened where alligators were removed as a result? What was done after those removals to mitigate the risks going forward?
For every attack in the future WE are on the hook for potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in actual and punitive damages. Did anyone read about how Disney paid out millions, and then removed every alligator they could find, and kept at it continuously.
Are the CDD board members personally liable for any negligence? If they are protected by liability insurance, will that cover the entire loss? And what will that insurance cost go up to?
What loss will the developer incur when news spreads? Will his sales get impacted? How many houses will sit unsold? What is that cost?
What about people living here and wanting to sell their homes? How much will your property values be impacted?
It's not a matter of "if" it will happen, but when. The costs are insurance against a catastrophic financial outcome.

Removing alligators is something that can be done. We cannot control birds or cars or dogs, and are not financially responsible for what this other things do.
Partner with the existing Florida alligator removal program. See Statewide Nuisance Alligator Program | FWC for details. It is possible that the entire cost could be covered by the state.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Maker

The plan to get this started needs to begin with looking at money. We need to proactively try to prevent someone getting hurt or a fatality so that when someone gets hurt here, the lawyers cannot sue and expect a big payout.
If we do nothing, how high will the award be? Would the lawyers point out that paths were placed where alligators would likely hide, and are potentially unsafe? Did they know that then and now? What did they do about it? Have attacks happened where alligators were removed as a result? What was done after those removals to mitigate the risks going forward?
For every attack in the future WE are on the hook for potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in actual and punitive damages. Did anyone read about how Disney paid out millions, and then removed every alligator they could find, and kept at it continuously.
Are the CDD board members personally liable for any negligence? If they are protected by liability insurance, will that cover the entire loss? And what will that insurance cost go up to?
What loss will the developer incur when news spreads? Will his sales get impacted? How many houses will sit unsold? What is that cost?
What about people living here and wanting to sell their homes? How much will your property values be impacted?
It's not a matter of "if" it will happen, but when. The costs are insurance against a catastrophic financial outcome.

Removing alligators is something that can be done. We cannot control birds or cars or dogs, and are not financially responsible for what this other things do.
Partner with the existing Florida alligator removal program. See Statewide Nuisance Alligator Program | FWC for details. It is possible that the entire cost could be covered by the state.

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=Two Bills;2196652]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Fantasy? It happened!
I was pointing out a factual case regarding the balance of nature.
Removing all alligators will increase whatever they prey on, which could lead to other problems.
There is no problem with alligators in TV.
There is a problem however with people who disregard the basics of co-existing with them and nature in general.

So well said ! Pythons, in the Everglades, eco disruptions, wild hogs, peacocks, and the list goes on as the saying goes. Guess people just never learn, keep thinking they can "re-balance" nature ?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Maker

The plan to get this started needs to begin with looking at money. We need to proactively try to prevent someone getting hurt or a fatality so that when someone gets hurt here, the lawyers cannot sue and expect a big payout.
If we do nothing, how high will the award be? Would the lawyers point out that paths were placed where alligators would likely hide, and are potentially unsafe? Did they know that then and now? What did they do about it? Have attacks happened where alligators were removed as a result? What was done after those removals to mitigate the risks going forward?
For every attack in the future WE are on the hook for potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in actual and punitive damages. Did anyone read about how Disney paid out millions, and then removed every alligator they could find, and kept at it continuously.
Are the CDD board members personally liable for any negligence? If they are protected by liability insurance, will that cover the entire loss? And what will that insurance cost go up to?
What loss will the developer incur when news spreads? Will his sales get impacted? How many houses will sit unsold? What is that cost?
What about people living here and wanting to sell their homes? How much will your property values be impacted?
It's not a matter of "if" it will happen, but when. The costs are insurance against a catastrophic financial outcome.

Removing alligators is something that can be done. We cannot control birds or cars or dogs, and are not financially responsible for what this other things do.
Partner with the existing Florida alligator removal program. See Statewide Nuisance Alligator Program | FWC for details. It is possible that the entire cost could be covered by the state.

You paint a really scary picture. You should take your own suggestion. Don't mention gators because your property value will nosedive. Get out now, while your home is still worth a couple of bucks.

[Maker]

Two nonsensical replies ... laughs and "move". Seems like you are arguing just for the sake of being confrontational.

Meanwhile another near miss. Alligator broke into a lanai and moved into a swimming pool.
What would you two suggest that a "smart person" would do? Perhaps be aware of your surroundings. Tip toe to the lanai door, carefully look around, then quietly head towards the pool to look for an alligator. Sounds like that's the way to be safe. That sounds like the smart person would have to live life in fear. That's awful.

[JSR22]

Originally Posted by Maker

Two nonsensical replies ... laughs and "move". Seems like you are arguing just for the sake of being confrontational.

Meanwhile another near miss. Alligator broke into a lanai and moved into a swimming pool.
What would you two suggest that a "smart person" would do? Perhaps be aware of your surroundings. Tip toe to the lanai door, carefully look around, then quietly head towards the pool to look for an alligator. Sounds like that's the way to be safe. That sounds like the smart person would have to live life in fear. That's awful.

I \have a pool and I am not afraid of an alligator breaking into my bird cage. If one does I will call the appropriate people to have it removed. I do not think they should be removed from The Villages. They will never be removed, because no one would pay for the removal. If you are that fearful move North. I never saw one in NJ.

[Byte1]

Blackened gator tail isn't bad.