[Chi-Town]

Getting back to cell phone cameras I and others have queried why so many posts that describe a scene don't seem to have any photos attached. Perhaps it's too hard to post them.
I want to see the panthers, bobcats, and coyotes.

[Luisa]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I disagree with only one part of that post. Namely, the "things are pretty good". If things are so good, then WHY does the US have the greatest wealth disparity of 1st world nations. Things started going south in about 1975 when average wages no longer increased with respect to inflation.

In 1976 Steve Jobs built his first computer. The wealth gap increased with companies like Apple. It seems everyday Americans are blamed for a wealth gap made by a few ultra wealthy companies. There has also been a massive increase in immigration since 1975. It takes a couple of generations to catch up if you don’t read, write, or speak the language of the country you live in. I know this is getting off the original subject.

[Luisa]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

How were those officers aware of his past record, while pinning him to the pavement?

They communicate with dispatch when called to an incident.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tvbound

With the totally misleading and incomplete original "official" statement put out regarding Chauvin, which had to instantly be backtracked after that brave young lady's video came to light, it's only a guess as to the thousands and thousands of similar incidents that bad cops have gotten away with in the past. May the lying and automatic belief of anything an LEO says, over the actual filming of an incident - soon be a thing of the past. Such as the shooting of the girl with the knife, which under the circumstances, makes it hard to criticize the cop's unfortunate action.

The young (age 17) woman that held her camera despite the menacing situation of a Policeman in front of her. The Policemen knew deep down that they were doing the WRONG thing and did NOT want a record made of it. That young lady should be invited to the White House and receive a civilian medal of honor for bravery.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The person in charge of wealth disparity is the person in charge of themselves. If you work hard and save, if you sacrifice and are careful, almost everyone can be financially comfortable, until someone comes into leadership who wants to spend your money for you.

I don't mean to be impolite, but I have to speak up because I VEHEMENTLY disagree with what was written! The wealth gap is not an individual issue. It really has nothing (zero) to do with ANY individual. It is an economic term that AGGREGATES large numbers of people (say in the US) and compares (for example) the wealth of the lowest 5% of the US to the TOP 5% wealthiest Americans. What you are talking about is closer to the economic term of UPWARD MOBILITY than wealth disparity. They are certainly related but different animals in defining economic conditions. The wealth gap decreased after WW2 primarily as white families secured good UNION jobs in the north. Blacks increased economic strength somewhat in the 1960s under President Johnson's Civil Rights legislation. After about 1975 the average US worker's wages remained stagnate, when inflation is considered, for around 35 years until only recently. As the average US citizen's wealth remained stagnate for about 40 years, the upper 10% of US society made great gains. The perfect example of this is Jack Welsh of GE who made a salary of 350 MILLION dollars per year - no one short of God is worth that much per year - GE stock went nowhere under Welsh, incidentally! So, the US wealth gap today is the highest of ANY 1st world nation. Incidentally, during that same time in Japan, CEOs took pride in NEVER making more than 10 times what their average line workers made. Think about that! If the US was more like Japan, then here in TV Land each person would probably have 2 times the wealth that they now have. So basically, "greed is good" for only the upper end of American society.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I missed this chapter in the book 1984.......which chapter was it?

There was a later chapter added because of new research in DNA and stem cells.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DAVES

I for one am tired of the race card. It has been so overused, that I have built an immunity to it. It is effective because if you look for it you will see it even when it is not there. Perhaps, even more important it is impossible to prove I am not a racist so I will not even bother trying.

So, you would prefer to play without a full deck .....of cards? OK, your deal.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Right, because that book written 60 years ago is totally relevant now, good grief. Do race relations need work? Yes, however, the great inroads that were made into the problem are being lost by the constant yammering that everyone is racist. It is driving deep wedges were there were none. Have an in-depth conversation with a black pastor who can speak anonymously and it will help open your eyes.

Never thought this would require clarification, but...

The book is intended to show the differences in growing up and the attitude given to you as a black person navigating through life. It is clearly spelled out and unfortunetly, the message remains the same.

Also, I was responding to a post that implied that..well said "The person in charge of wealth disparity is the person in charge of themselves. If you work hard and save, if you sacrifice and are careful, almost everyone can be financially comfortable, until someone comes into leadership who wants to spend your money for you"

Ignoring the last sentence, it is total and complete folly that this applies to everyone. I speak not only of black skinned, but anyone in the world.....you need luck, help, a strong support group, etc. to succeed in life.

Those who think it is that easy are in a fantasy world, and I know that many who are doing fine, but recognize the factors that helped would agree. Many were born into it...many lucked into it.

Not that the attributes described are not goals to ascribe to,but thinking doing those things assures a good life just don't get it.

Many blacks had a heck of a lot more walls to climb than most, and the book lays it out well.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

So, you would prefer to play without a full deck .....of cards? OK, your deal.

LOL.....factually, in many cases HALF A DECK. Black skin in an employment office in most, not all cases, have a much higher hill to climb.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Right, because that book written 60 years ago is totally relevant now, good grief. Do race relations need work? Yes, however, the great inroads that were made into the problem are being lost by the constant yammering that everyone is racist. It is driving deep wedges were there were none. Have an in-depth conversation with a black pastor who can speak anonymously and it will help open your eyes.

There are so many wedges in US society........where to start? I guess, the 1st one to overcome would be that dreaded wealth gap

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I think if you would serve as a police officer for one week in the inner cities we would have even more “murders” like this. It’s easy to sit outside the equation and judge.

Personally. I think that society needs "good cops" and that they do have a hard job that they should be paid well for. But, here we are talking ONLY about a BAD cop. The US Attorney General is starting an investigation into the procedures and attitudes of the Minneapolis Police. That should serve as a wake-up call to Police Departments everywhere that the US Justice system is becoming more transparent and FAIR.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by DAVES

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History shows that is wrong. The development of the Atomic bomb. Brilliant people thought it was impossible. Others perhaps some the same thought if we ever successfully created such a chain reaction it would continue till the earth consumed itself. Others, the Rosenbergs, illegally shared the information with Russia believing we must have balance.

We tend to think somethings are good some are evil. Some people/companies are good and some are evil. We tend to edit reality to support our views. Steve Jobs, Apple are not saints. They are influential they have changed our reality. We have no choice but to accept fact spinning. Aside-Apple allowed workers in China to be driven so hard that several workers committed suicide by jumping out the factory window.

In the real world nothing is 100% good or evil. Balance? That is not a clear line. It is usually a moving line. Often, usually, people think the line belongs in different places.
The simple reason for differing views. It should be clear to all it seems that solution is impossible till people look for a deal. A deal is not, can not be I get everything and you get nothing. Any such deal will sooner or later fail. History shows that is so.

I fail to see the connection with my post?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Luisa

The wealth gap is because of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, to name a few.

True, but more basic - is lax US tax policy that is practically written by corporations!

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Personally. I think that society needs "good cops" and that they do have a hard job that they should be paid well for. But, here we are talking ONLY about a BAD cop. The US Attorney General is starting an investigation into the procedures and attitudes of the Minneapolis Police. That should serve as a wake-up call to Police Departments everywhere that the US Justice system is becoming more transparent and FAIR.

I guess if you aren’t a current or retired officer, I don’t value your wake-up call to cops everywhere. Walk the walk...

Almost all officers are not guilty of poor conduct but we need the broad brush, just like the racism brush.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There are so many wedges in US society........where to start? I guess, the 1st one to overcome would be that dreaded wealth gap

We must kill capitalism and incentive, what is this country thinking? We must all try to float to the bottom and stay there. After all, we all know you can get something for nothing.