[dillywho]

Originally Posted by CMANN

would you register the same complaint if the prosecution were celebrating?


How can any rational person think with a clear head that she is innocent of all the serious charges?
Evidently you believe that a jury of 12 irrational people got together to find her not guilty.

I don't understand why people who insinuate that they themselves are rational cannot look at the evidence is circumstantial evidence and see that it was flawed. If you go to the emotional evidence the innuendo that Casey is a slut evidence I'm sure that you would find that reason, the execut, her.

I don't know what happened. You don't know what happened. I am sure that Casey Anthony is guilty of something but I don't know what that is. Do you?

A child has died everybody feels that someone must pay. But if the true story is that she drowned. Would that satisfy you? I doubt it. Some people are not going to be satisfied by anything other than execution because she allegedly threw the child away in a dump.

Take all of the emotion out and only look at the facts as presented and rebutted. Would you be convinced?

C

[islandgal]

Have always thought the Judge rushed through jury selection in order to reach the end of his self-imposed time line.
I've been called to jury duty twice but both times, the charges were dismissed and no trial so I might be taking these comments out of context.
Whatever, it looks like the jury selection was not a wise one. I would think the long incarcerated time for the jurors played a role also in their decisions.

Juror 2 — The IT Worker: Black male, mid-thirties, married, two children: a daughter, 4 and son, 9. Like defendant, Casey Anthony,
juror’s mother was a single mom. “My impression was that, ‘yes, I thought she did it.’ ... If I had to return a verdict, I would say
‘not guilty’ right now.” Death penalty stance: Does not believe in the death penalty. “God is the one that makes the final judgment.”

Juror 4 — The Church Lady: Black female, 40s, no children, lives alone. Unknown occupation. Plays “Farmville” on Facebook. “Most of the time,
I play my computer games” she notes.
Quiet, unassuming, does not like to judge people by what other people say about them.

Alternate Juror 3 — The Widow: White female, age 37, has a 12-year-old son. Was married to a man jailed on drug charges; husband died during incarceration.
She works as a car dealership cashier, lives with her parents, and says serving on a jury would present an “emotional hardship.”

Alternate Juror 4 — The Carpenter: White male, 25, single. The former daycare teacher now works as a carpenter and lives with his parents.
He has a juvenile conviction for drug and paraphernalia possession, for which he served probation.

Alternate Juror 5 — The Water Reclamation Plant Operator: White, 39, married, no children. Former Coast Guard mechanic/military policeman.
Has some knowledge of the case, which was “not big news in my circle.” Prior to receiving a jury duty summons,
planned on taking grandmother to a ball game. He plays computer games. Described a YouTube parody about Casey Anthony by syndicated radio personality,
“Bubba the Love Sponge.”
Recalls odor in Anthony’s car trunk that was attributed initially to pizza. Says, “I don’t like to judge people on what other people say.”

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by islandgal

Have always thought the Judge rushed through jury selection in order to reach the end of his self-imposed time line.
I've been called to jury duty twice but both times, the charges were dismissed and no trial so I might be taking these comments out of context.
Whatever, it looks like the jury selection was not a wise one. I would think the long incarcerated time for the jurors played a role also in their decisions.

Juror 2 — The IT Worker: Black male, mid-thirties, married, two children: a daughter, 4 and son, 9. Like defendant, Casey Anthony,
juror’s mother was a single mom. “My impression was that, ‘yes, I thought she did it.’ ... If I had to return a verdict, I would say
‘not guilty’ right now.” Death penalty stance: Does not believe in the death penalty. “God is the one that makes the final judgment.”

Juror 4 — The Church Lady: Black female, 40s, no children, lives alone. Unknown occupation. Plays “Farmville” on Facebook. “Most of the time,
I play my computer games” she notes.
Quiet, unassuming, does not like to judge people by what other people say about them.

Alternate Juror 3 — The Widow: White female, age 37, has a 12-year-old son. Was married to a man jailed on drug charges; husband died during incarceration.
She works as a car dealership cashier, lives with her parents, and says serving on a jury would present an “emotional hardship.”

Alternate Juror 4 — The Carpenter: White male, 25, single. The former daycare teacher now works as a carpenter and lives with his parents.
He has a juvenile conviction for drug and paraphernalia possession, for which he served probation.

Alternate Juror 5 — The Water Reclamation Plant Operator: White, 39, married, no children. Former Coast Guard mechanic/military policeman.
Has some knowledge of the case, which was “not big news in my circle.” Prior to receiving a jury duty summons,
planned on taking grandmother to a ball game. He plays computer games. Described a YouTube parody about Casey Anthony by syndicated radio personality,
“Bubba the Love Sponge.”
Recalls odor in Anthony’s car trunk that was attributed initially to pizza. Says, “I don’t like to judge people on what other people say.”

They had to pick jurors who were not aware of Casey Anthony and the death of her child...which means they didn't keep up on much and weren't very well informed and ....mostly dumb buts.

Ooops sorry.

[robertj1954]

This will be my last comment on Casey Anthony; it is time to move on. I understand the not guilty based on reasonable doubt for the 1st degree murder charge. A juror would have a difficult time reaching that verdict without a cause of death. For the average person it is difficult to reach that far based on so little circumstantial evidence.

My shock came when the jury declined to make the child abuse/manslaughter charge. It is my opinion; the jury failed its duty not finding her guilty on that charge. Not reporting her daughter missing for 30 days, until pressured by her family, certainly constitutes child neglect! Anyone with common sense knows it.

My heart goes out to Caylee Anthony. She did not get justice for her tragic death, which is something every American deserves. I hope she is now being cared for by God and as for her mother, Casey will face another judgment in her future when she faces her creator.

[jblum315]

One of the things that got my attention is that the Anthonys slithered out of the courtroom after the verdict without even glancing at Casey. In most capital cases where the parents are present, they rush up to give the defendant a big hug. I know they are afraid of being mobbed and probably afraid for their lives, but it's hard to believe you could see your daughter sobbing and weak in the knees and not want to touch her. Did Mom and Pop believe that the verdict was wrong?

[nitehawk]

I do think the prosecution made a big mistake by not trying to have the trial and the jury picked from The Villages

[senior citizen]

Yes, I noticed that also. I thought they'd go over and hug her. I feel for the parents, but each in their own way is strange......ditto for the brother. What grown man would cry because he wasn't invited to a baby shower? Dysfunctional families "keep secrets".
I believe, in my humble opinion, it was a PATTERN in that family. They wanted to give the impression of being a perfect all American family as the kids were growing up, but enabled them and children do learn by example. I do not doubt that the grandparents loved that little girl......as did Casey.

Although Jose Baez had been villianized in the newspaper "chats" as Bozo, etc.........he did save Casey's life.

She has to live with whatever knowledge she has about Caylee's ending. Unless she is totally heartless, that will be torture enough. As one juror said, "God is the ultimate judge".

I can't imagine where Casey will reside when she gets out of jail on Thursday for "time served". A halfway house? With one of the female lawyers? Certainly not with her family or friends.

I think Jose did present "doubt" in my mind anyway........with the chart of the imaginary friends..........the family dynamic of lying (all of them) or blocking out truths........she was raised that way. This does not condone the death of an innocent child. But, if I were on the jury, with the evidence as presented, I would also have to give the benefit of the doubt.

Why didn't they bring up the fact that the meter reader duct taped his own wife in the past????? George's mistress was believable, so he also lied. Cindy lied about being home that day , on the computer. I wouldn't put much stock in computer searches as we all google things; not necessarily using them for ill or evil purposes. As many said, a lot of the evidence was considered "junk science".

She definitely has mental issues..........why didn't the fact that she had "seizures" come up in the trial???? Jesse Grund had taken her to the hospital. She also told a friend, "I feel like I'm going insane". Something happened. I can come up with many other theories than the prosecution presented...........I wonder if she will ever tell the truth about what happened.

We have a case in Vermont with regard to the gruesome murder of Brooke Bennett, a young 14 year old, killed by her own uncle.......no mass media coverage at all.

Vermont has few murders, thus...this one should have been a sensation. But we don't have the sunshine laws or document dumps up here. I doubt if even Nancy Grace covered Brooke Bennett's horrible demise, but maybe once....if that.

As we were watching the six weeks of testimony and then the final closing arguments, I thought of the Salem Witch Trials.........not that she is a witch, nor all that innocent....but mass hysteria as with the blogging youthful Casey haters in Orlando, it almost seems that way. We all were horrified at the thought that a mom could callously kill her child and toss the body in the woods (swamp after the hurricane came through)..........but after hearing the witnesses........I did have "reasonable doubt" in my mind.....not to say the grandfather covered up an accident that "snowballed out of control".......but it could be plausible. Nancy Grace , I'm sure, is one of the talking heads that Lawyer Cheney was referring to. Anyway, this was the trial of the century and it reminds me of the LIZZIE BORDEN CASE in Massachusetts.......a long long time ago.
I believe she also got away with murder.........."if" she did it. Don't shoot the messenger, just saying that the defense did plant reasonable doubt in my mind.....after three years of hearing the opposite. My husband thinks they should "fry her".

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jblum315

One of the things that got my attention is that the Anthonys slithered out of the courtroom after the verdict without even glancing at Casey. In most capital cases where the parents are present, they rush up to give the defendant a big hug. I know they are afraid of being mobbed and probably afraid for their lives, but it's hard to believe you could see your daughter sobbing and weak in the knees and not want to touch her. Did Mom and Pop believe that the verdict was wrong?

What wasn't brought out was that Casey refused to see them or communicate with them at all shortly after the filmed blowup in jail when Casey was annoyed at the size of the reward for Caylee, saying that money could go toward her bond to get out of jail.

AND on a public blog by Cindy's brother it said that Casey and Cindy had a huge rift before that, the day Caylee went missing when Cindy told her that she would no longer baby sit while Casey went out at night at stayed out at night. She apparently was trying "tough love". Casey moved out and broke ties with family except for telephone calls and lies for 31 days......until her car was discovered.

So..Casey does not want to see them and hasn't for a long time...and I am repeating only what I have heard and thought the source was credible

Edwin M. from this site gave us all one of those links.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by robertj1954

This will be my last comment on Casey Anthony; it is time to move on. I understand the not guilty based on reasonable doubt for the 1st degree murder charge. A juror would have a difficult time reaching that verdict without a cause of death. For the average person it is difficult to reach that far based on so little circumstantial evidence.

My shock came when the jury declined to make the child abuse/manslaughter charge. It is my opinion; the jury failed its duty not finding her guilty on that charge. Not reporting her daughter missing for 30 days, until pressured by her family, certainly constitutes child neglect! Anyone with common sense knows it.

My heart goes out to Caylee Anthony. She did not get justice for her tragic death, which is something every American deserves. I hope she is now being cared for by God and as for her mother, Casey will face another judgment in her future when she faces her creator.

I agree ; I forgot to mention in my earlier post that I thought she would get at least the child neglect for NOT REPORTING HER DAUGHTER MISSING FOR 31 DAYS. The judge's explanation was quite intricate and detailed in explaining to the jury the various options for their ultimate verdict.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by CMANN

would you register the same complaint if the prosecution were celebrating?


How can any rational person think with a clear head that she is innocent of all the serious charges?
Evidently you believe that a jury of 12 irrational people got together to find her not guilty.

I don't understand why people who insinuate that they themselves are rational cannot look at the evidence is circumstantial evidence and see that it was flawed. If you go to the emotional evidence the innuendo that Casey is a slut evidence I'm sure that you would find that reason, the execut, her.

I don't know what happened. You don't know what happened. I am sure that Casey Anthony is guilty of something but I don't know what that is. Do you?

A child has died everybody feels that someone must pay. But if the true story is that she drowned. Would that satisfy you? I doubt it. Some people are not going to be satisfied by anything other than execution because she allegedly threw the child away in a dump.

Take all of the emotion out and only look at the facts as presented and rebutted. Would you be convinced?

C

CMANN, I think you missed my point. First, the jury did NOT find her innocent - they found her "not guilty". If you recall the chart effectively used in the closing statement by the defense, you can have a very high feeling of guilt for the defendant and still vote "not guilty".

Secondly, my quibble is with the defense and not necessarily with the jury. You and I both agree that she was "guilty of something". For the defense to embrace and cry with a person who, at the very least, treated her dead child like yesterday's garbage, whose response to the death of her child was to party like a terrific burden had been lifted from her is beyond the pale.

To answer your direct question, no I would not have a problem if the prosecution celebrated just as I have no problem with the defense celebrating - as long as the celebration was one solely based on winning a hard earned case. They crossed the line, in my opinion, when they shed tears of joy with Casey.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by NJblue

CMANN, I think you missed my point. First, the jury did NOT find her innocent - they found her "not guilty". If you recall the chart effectively used in the closing statement by the defense, you can have a very high feeling of guilt for the defendant and still vote "not guilty".

Secondly, my quibble is with the defense and not necessarily with the jury. You and I both agree that she was "guilty of something". For the defense to embrace and cry with a person who, at the very least, treated her dead child like yesterday's garbage, whose response to the death of her child was to party like a terric burden had been lifted from her is beyond the pale.

Some "off balance" folks can compartmentalize their lives and emotions.
She no doubt "blocked out" what had happened. Not healthy coping skills but I think she's had mental issues since childhood (that were not acknowledged or treated by the family). AGAIN, her own mother had said in a deposition that Casey had a SEIZURE and Jesse Grund took her to the hospital. Why? Why didn't her parents take her? What was the reason for the seizure? She had told friends she felt she was going insane. A lot never came out during trial. At first I thought Jose's defense was very discombobulated and all those interruptions........but in the end, I realized he had cleverly planted the thought of doubt. The jurors were going by the law.
Just maybe, the trial itself and listening to all the "stuff" will straighten her out but I hope she does get some type of counseling. The thoughts of her dead child will haunt her for an eternity.

[NJblue]

The thoughts of her dead child will haunt her for an eternity.

Sadly, I doubt that she will suffer any emotional distress over the loss of Caley. I don't think she is capable of it. Even more sadly, she will probably at some point in the future have another child.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Sadly, I doubt that she will suffer any emotional distress over the loss of Caley. I don't think she is capable of it. Even more sadly, she will probably at some point in the future have another child.

On the morning news today, a reporter quoted something that Casey had told a fellow jail inmate one year ago. "If and when I get out of jail, I want to get pregnant and have another baby". I just read this earlier today.

I also read in the Orlando Sentinel someplace.....probably a chatter or blogger saying that Casey was already pregnant (with a jailer's child). This may be just rumor......as it said she was two months along....again, it's probably hearsay.

The first quote was indeed on the national morning news.

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

On the morning news today, a reporter quoted something that Casey had told a fellow jail inmate one year ago. "If and when I get out of jail, I want to get pregnant and have another baby". I just read this earlier today.

I also read in the Orlando Sentinel someplace.....probably a chatter or blogger saying that Casey was already pregnant (with a jailer's child). This may be just rumor......as it said she was two months along....again, it's probably hearsay.

The first quote was indeed on the national morning news.

I sure hope she isn't pregnant again. I think she should get her mental health issues cleared up.

If not, I vote to have her tubes tied.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

I sure hope she isn't pregnant again. I think she should get her mental health issues cleared up.

If not, I vote to have her tubes tied.

It's in the National Enquirer....just google it.

She apparently told her jailhouse "friends" she was two months along.

So, whatever I read yesterday in the Orlando Sentinel was no doubt taken from the National Enquirer.

Perhaps that was why towards the end of the trial, Jose asked for a competency test. If it's a big fib ????? Don't they have cameras in that jail?