[Cuervo]

Whatever your views about Boeing aircraft should be the least of your worries.
We have insulted and put tariffs on every one friend and foe.
The big fear should be that China start making deals with our trading partner and we are left isolated.
Talk about self-destruction.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

A lot of people want government out of their lives

That would be IMPOSSIBLE. The most obvious need for tax money would be for the Military. Next, only a Federal Government could build interstate highways through all states. If most of Federal Government were ELIMINATED, we would be left in a Dictatorship and I believe that MOST people would NOT like that.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I agree. And, it isn't only the Chinese. "We" seem to be going out of our way to anger everyone.

And I would take it a step further and say that it is weakening America and that it is on purpose.

[Johnsocat]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I blame the US for allowing them to relocate to AVOID US laws that protect workers that wanted to UNIONIZE. They were running away from UNIONS because the Companies were OVERLY GREEDY and wanted to avoid safety regulations in the USA. The result was US children DYING from lead poison from paint. Then US money built up China into a SUPERPOWER militarily, which now challenges the US. Wasn't that wonderful? We made the MONSTER than can now turn on us. Wasn't that brilliant? if you take into consideration that we pay the shipping cost for China's large ocean ships. And the cost of LOST US manufacturing and that knowledge of manufacturing. Then you consider the BIG cost of China stealing our secrets, you see that trading with China has helped THEM, but not the US of A. We succeeded in creating an enemy. We should have concentrated on trade with Canada and other countries that we can TRUST.

And now we are trying to fix it. Isn't that what would be best for both us and our Nation in the long run?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I don’t blame businesses for wanting to maximize profits, just like I don’t blame consumers for wanting the best value for the products they purchase. Both parties have the same financial/economic incentive. The real issue at hand is why can businesses sell stuff cheaper and/or maximize profits by moving out of the country. That is the real issue at hand. What’s the answer? Probably a combination of cheaper labor (caused by Labor Unions, wage and working condition laws, peoples willingness to work for cheap with no government subsidies for low wage earners), regulations imposed on business (environmental, safety, DEI, etc…), and taxes on businesses. If the playing field on these important business factors is leveled out between the USA and other countries, businesses wouldn’t need to go abroad. In fact, it would probably be more profitable to stay at home and avoid shipping expenses, and less shipping would reduce their carbon footprint.

I agree with the last concluding statement. Also, I believe that the US could make any product at the same cost as China by using our superior knowledge of robotics. Plus we don't have to pay to ship it here. plus we do NOT steal secrets from ourselves. Plus China uses a lot of COAL. So, the fewer products we buy from China helps the world's climate. Plus China would have fewer missiles and navy to attack US IF we get into a large scale FIGHT.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

We're trading paper money, for real "stuff". T Shirts, consumer electronics, junk from Temu, plastic shoes, paper plates. All those cheap workers in China are turning out mostly cheap, throwaway, consumer goods.

In the meantime, we're selling the world; airplanes, technology, financial instruments/technology, ships and industrial machinery.

Call me crazy, but that sounds like a decent deal. Do we want our workers, turning out T Shirts & sandals? They're supplying all our "junk".

In the meantime, we're protecting the environment of the entire globe (that no one else really cares about), making it impossible for us to manufacture the junk China can produce.

Please refer to post # 97 plus many, many people in the WORLD do CARE about environmental pollution. I could go on and on.

[bumpa]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Companies moved there, because Americans were demanding lower priced goods.`

American consumers are responsible for businesses moving overseas and government is responsible for allowing it to happen.

Why blame "business"? If people stopped buying Chinese made goods, China would be in ruins and all those businesses would be coming back to the USA.

Perhaps f we addressed the wage imbalance in this country the middle class might have the disposable income needed to afford higher priced American made goods. Track the history of the rise in imports from China and Japan and you'll find it closely follows the shift from high middle class wages to higher CEO wages. CEO's buy from Germany their workers from China and other low price countries. Just one piece of the puzzle.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by asianthree

I agree however does one do without for 2-3 years before those businesses get a facility, buy equipment, Find employees before start manufacturing, can happen. You’re a business person, can you get a full manufacturing business up and running in 6 months. Would it have been a better plan to get manufacturing on line first then remove the ease of not buying American.

Old people could probably wait 1-2 years for food, electronics, and clothing. After all think about all the excess one gets rid of with retirement.
Families can’t survive 2-3 years waiting for manufacturing to hit US doorways

Instead of buying NEW Chinese products a consumer can go to the large thrift stores and get HIGHER QUALITY used products for less COST than NEW Chinese products. Also, it is a patriotic thing to do because the salaries for the workers helps Americans NOT the Chinese.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

The UK stuck with sterling rather than joining the Eurozone.

Remaining decoupled from disparate European economies was a smart move.

I don't think that IF the decoupling vote were held today that it would pass. With the US self-destructing, the UK and Europe will have many advantages, including attracting high quality University students.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by skarra

Agreed. This tariff war is plain foolish.

Manufacturing and the IP along with it went out years ago. We all benefited from it and so let’s move on and do what we do best, services.

Services will NOT win a country a World War.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Arctic Fox

I thought the tariffs were designed to narrow the trade gap with other countries? I don't see how getting the USA taxpayer to pay for more warplanes compensates in any way for China pulling out of buying civil planes from a US company.

Tariffs may have been designed to weaken America.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Ski Bum

Narrowing the trade gap is a ruse. There are 4 goals:
1. Reciprocal tariffs, at 10%
2. Removal of non-tariff trade barriers
3. Restore a level of US manufacturing for critical goods for national security
4. Decouple from China

Once that is understood, the news makes a lot more sense.

#3 would be a good goal. #5 in my opinion would be to weaken US gross national product (GNP) and therefore society.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

There's a reason why Walmart is the biggest retailer in the world, the cheap prices. Many people live paycheck to paycheck, they are not able to spend for made in America goods. Imagine how much a t-shirt will cost if the people sewing it are making 20.00 an hour.

All this chaos for billionaires, while the middle class gets poorer.

Shop at thrift stores, garage sales, and on-line used sites.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Take advantage of means things like putting a value-added tax on everything not produced in their area and then screaming when a tariff of the same amount is placed on their goods.

Tariffs were fine 2 years ago when a different person put them on China but wrong when they're being put on now.

For example, a 200% tariff was put on Chinese aluminum 2 years ago and no American even batted an eye...

Economists agree that using SOME select tariffs is a good idea, NOT tariffs on everything.

[Wilson02852]

It's about time the US stopped kissing China's butt. Next on the list fundamental Islamic countries.

Turning the other cheek with appeasement is not working.