[Sophie11]

Originally Posted by tumbleweed

Gracie-
Re "Revelation is from the old testament. You would have to have the wisdom of Solomon to really make sense of it. And unless you are fluent in the old languages, there is no way to argue what was originally written and what it meant."
Agree that Revelation is a difficult read, but it is not from the Old Testament, unless I misunderstood your comment. It is the last book of the New Testament.

Revelations is the last book of the New Testament.

[tomwed]

/////

[Sophie11]

Originally Posted by happy employee

Sophie, If you study your Bible history, you will realize that the King James Bible was a translation taken from other Bibles of the time. Primarily the Bishop's Bible. Granted that King James was the first English language translation used by the masses. However, I would much rather put my faith in a Bible like my own. The NASB which was a direct literal translation from the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. At least i know that no personal opinions from the middle ages are influencing the translation.

I was under the assumption it was Martin Luther's German Bible that was used.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

Revelations is the last book of the New Testament.

I apologize Sophie. You are right. It is in the new testament.

Book of Revelation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is called the Apocalypse in my Catholic Bible but I think has the same words as yours...starting out..

"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him, to make known to his servants the things that must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified them through his angel to his servant John who was witness to the the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ to whatever he saw. Blessed is he who reads and hears these words."

Does that sound pretty much the same? The book is about the ending of the world as we know it.

Don't fret Sophie.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I didn't read that Taltarzac thought the Bible was false.

Reread what he said.

Remember too Sophie, that Christianity is 2000 years old, much older than our country.

Do you know why it is called the King James version? In 1611 King James ordered the current Bible rewritten for the people of the time and the Church of England. (The Anglican Church)

I don't like for people to scoff at another's faith either Sophie. There will always be agnostics and atheists. Take comfort in your faith and live your life so that people see a good thing to be drawn to.

Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am a Christian but just have some problems with understanding people who say that everything in The Bible is true. Did the Gospel writers ALL have perfect memories, were all literate, unbiased observers of the actions and words of Jesus? Even with modern technology like camcorders four different writers would have slightly different takes on what was said.

I do see Jesus Christ as our savior but it is a leap of faith and I sincerely doubt if any of the writers of the Bible did not have agendas of their own.

[Sophie11]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I am a Christian but just have some problems with understanding people who say that everything in The Bible is true. Did the Gospel writers ALL have perfect memories, were all literate, unbiased observers of the actions and words of Jesus? Even with modern technology like camcorders four different writers would have slightly different takes on what was said.

I do see Jesus Christ as our savior but it is a leap of faith and I sincerely doubt if any of the writers of the Bible did not have agendas of their own.

Do you also believe in the Holy Spirit?

[Jakel]

I believe that God created Heaven and Earth and everything in it, and if He is capable of all of the amazing things we are surrounded by, why is it difficult to believe that He could inspire men to write the stories the way He wanted them to be written? I do not believe that The King James Bible is the only accurate translation, but I do believe that since God made the Penguins, I think He could manage to lead them to the Ark, that is if they needed to be in the Ark in the first place.

[shcisamax]

I wrote: ... to simplify, if you took all religion away, if we could just live by the Golden Rule, things would go pretty darn well.

Then you wrote:

Originally Posted by Sophie11

I think you put a lot on the word probably! Your life is only a blink away and you will put your beliefs using the word probably? (The Bible was written by scholars who probably made up many stories) What is wrong with reading the book of John for starters and then praising our lord Jesus Christ! People Jesus Christ is real! You are more than flesh and bones! The stones cry out showing everything is true!

My statement never uses the word "probably". This response doesn't appear to be to my post. Did you mean to respond to someone else's post?

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Like it or not, let's not lose sight of the fact that it was man who wrote these bibles,
long after the word of mouth passed through a number of generations.

You know what happens when it goes from one ear to the next mouth, don't you?

Originally Posted by Sophie11

for Christians to comment on this. Would you say this to people of other religions?

Every single bible in this world was interpreted and written by man/men.

Does anyone really believe a stone tablet might have been dropped from the sky with ten suggestions?

[rosygail]

Does anyone believe that there were people with names MARY or JOSEPH, OR JOHN OR JAMES OR PETER OR MATTHEW OR MARK IN Israel?

These were names common in King James era and so they were used in that version of the Bible.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Jakel

I believe that God created Heaven and Earth and everything in it, and if He is capable of all of the amazing things we are surrounded by, why is it difficult to believe that He could inspire men to write the stories the way He wanted them to be written? I do not believe that The King James Bible is the only accurate translation, but I do believe that since God made the Penguins, I think He could manage to lead them to the Ark, that is if they needed to be in the Ark in the first place.

I love you Jim and your wife too and your kids and your grandkids and I am glad there are folks on this earth like you. I am so glad you were dropped into our world.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

Do you also believe in the Holy Spirit?

Sophie, most people who call themselves Christians also believe in the Trinity; The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Catholics are Christians and so are Baptists, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Methodists, Lutherans, and any number of protestants sects, Jewish people are waiting for the Messiah, but believe in the Old Testament.

I know that all of these things are stirring around in you. I know that you believe that only people who accept Christ will live forever. I think that only God can sort these things out and I have so many things to concern myself over and wouldn't do a good job running the universe that I just concede that worry to someone else, someone greater than me.

I think my business, when it comes to religion is to find good in people and affirm it. I don't always do that and I get side tracked and get all worked up about how things are going. I get into discussions and heated debates and throw words out that hurt.

Sometimes I find things that just amaze me and I think of them as sort of a sign. Yesterday a student had his backpack hit during that shooting in Tallahassee. The bullet lodged harmlessly in his theology book.

Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas Sophie.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...33ED55B0FFB5C6

[rubicon]

You have to know that there are not going to be any conversions here.

[happy employee]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

I was under the assumption it was Martin Luther's German Bible that was used.

Actually there were several Church Bibles that were used in the writing of the King James version, including the Latin Vulgate, The Bishop's bible, and several German translations (which were translations of earlier Bibles).

My point was that the King James Bible was a Re-Write of several earlier Bibles and not a new translation of the original manuscripts. I stand by what i said. I'll trust a Bible which was taken from the original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic.

And NO i don't believe the world is only 6000 years old. But then, I don't believe it's 4.5 Billion years old either. Like many things, i think the answer lies somewhere in-between.

[graciegirl]

Religion is a very personal belief.

People have very different personalities. How could Adolf Hitler cause all of those people to believe he was right?

I think that science will prove someday that we were born with a certain personality that can't be changed much. I don't know what that will mean as far as how we look at others. Some people are born sociopathic and they don't really CARE a drop for anyone else. Sociopaths are those who kill and steal and hurt. Will they someday be identified as infants? What then? Is sociopathy a spectrum disorder? Do some people have less empathy because they are born that way? I think religion is needed for some people to have a moral compass, but what if they don't care what is right or wrong, that they aren't programed to care about anything but their own needs? I am glad I am guilt ridden and care about other people and worry about stuff.

I think, as confusing as our life now is, I am glad I was born at this time.