[Golfingnut]

I would be stunned to hear a human if today that could think of the earth as only 6000 years old. That would be cause for a full evaluation from a mental institution.

[Arctic Fox]

As CFrance said very early on, we can discuss this issue amongst ourselves and will never reach a consensus.

But one thing that is inescapable is that the World as a whole is getting on board, with more and more countries each year starting to take action to combat climate change.

There are two main ways to do this:

- replace carbon-based energy with renewables - the French and Chinese lead the way in nuclear power stations; the Danish in wind turbines and the Germans in solar power;

- carbon sequestration - capture the carbon dioxide before it reaches the atmosphere, or extract that which is already there - the Norwegians and the Canadians lead the way in this.

So we can either get our heads out of the sand and start making America a World-leader in these future technologies, or continue denying that there is a problem and end up paying foreign companies for their expertise. Then, like we currently do with imported goods from China, blame them for taking away American jobs.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders and there is nothing wrong with that. They often will place profit above ethics or morals, and there is something wrong with that. That is why the government has to intervene occasionally, as Teddy Roosevelt understood, to make sure the citizens interests are looked out for. Corporate interests are constantly crying about "burdensome regulations", but look what happened a few years ago when banking and finance regulations were relaxed. Sure regulation costs corporations money, which will be passed along to the consumer, but isn't that better than having a financial system collapse, costing a trillion dollars, or worse yet a catastrophic environmental disaster? Corporate interests have spent a LOT of money to insure that their interests are represented by politicians, talking heads, and even quasi researchers and "think tanks". Climate change is the latest environmental issue that has attracted huge sums of corporate money in an effort to convince people that it is not a problem that corporations should have to address. Ask yourself who benefits financially from lack of regulation designed to control emissions that affect the atmosphere. It is not us who will suffer the consequences of doing nothing, it will be our grandchildren and their grandchildren.

I would say SOMETIMES. Big business is the heartbeat of the US economy......AND a good share of the recent financial downturn was because lots of people defaulted on home loans who should not have been given home loans. AND THAT was due to government programs that were faulty and too lenient.

[mrfixit]

....is the earth SLOWLY Warming ???.....

Stopped in a Cabela's Sporting Goods Store
in South Michigan a few years ago........

....a plaque in the store clearly states...

On this site
...........over 1xxxx years ago was Ice 457 feet thick......
...........1xxxx years ago was water 224 feet deep...
...........Today we enjoy fertile black dirt..and...
...........the second largest Cabela's in the USA.

So, clearly, we are SLOWLY warming.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I believe there may be a terminology issue as don't really have "statistical facts" from the past thousands of years. The following might be of some use as to differing types of evidence over differing historical periods:

How Do We Investigate Climates of the Past? - Windows to the Universe

With these and many other evidences those qualified to do so can conclude, speculate, extrapolate, conjecture, opine, et al what it all means and whether or not it has any application to the topic at hand that far too many are trying to capture in a finite terms such as global warming, climate change or what ever is the latest hot button.

The real key is the bold underscore above. And politicians certainly do not fit this group in any way, shape or form....I do not care what party, religion, race or what ever category.

Way too much biased parroting to suit me.

WRONG

WE HAVE STATISTICS FROM FATHER BACK THAN that.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I would be stunned to hear a human if today that could think of the earth as only 6000 years old. That would be cause for a full evaluation from a mental institution.

I suggest others may have differing opinions or understandings or beliefs and as such are not any lessor in any of their capacity that anybody else who may not agree with or has a different view!

Let's show the moderator, we can keep the conversation within the scope of the discussion without with the personal measuring of others.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

I suggest others may have differing opinions or understandings or beliefs and as such are not any lessor in any of their capacity that anybody else who may not agree with or has a different view!

Let's show the moderator, we can keep the conversation within the scope of the discussion without with the personal measuring of others.

Like you just did me. Please allow admin to determine what is or is not ok.

[rubicon]

I have read and reread the enclosed posts and what is clear is that some posters here are heavily invested in being absolutely right while the remaining posters do not care to deal in absolutes.

In my humble view climate change is and has always been occurring and given the vast complex nature of our planet always will do so and man will never really know exactly why.

In my humble view carbon dioxide is entering the atmosphere but so what there has never been anyone to proved that it is over heating.

In my humble view any changes such as melting ice caps presents a lose/win scenario and that has always been mother nature's way.

In my humble view cataclysmal events have and do occur naturally below the ground on the surface and above us

In my humble view those hawking climate change trade on conceit, celebrity and profit. Just follow the money.

In my humble view it has always amazed me how well P.T. Barnum defined the American psyche

Personal Best Regards:

[Golfingnut]

Let's get back on track. The planet is getting warmer. What can we or should we as concerned citizens do to help curb this effect.

Will this pass the test as OK?

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I have read and reread the enclosed posts and what is clear is that some posters here are heavily invested in being absolutely right while the remaining posters do not care to deal in absolutes.

In my humble view climate change is and has always been occurring and given the vast complex nature of our planet always will do so and man will never really know exactly why.

In my humble view carbon dioxide is entering the atmosphere but so what there has never been anyone to proved that it is over heating.

In my humble view any changes such as melting ice caps presents a lose/win scenario and that has always been mother nature's way.

In my humble view cataclysmal events have and do occur naturally below the ground on the surface and above us

In my humble view those hawking climate change trade on conceit, celebrity and profit. Just follow the money.

In my humble view it has always amazed me how well P.T. Barnum defined the American psyche

Personal Best Regards:

I agree with the bulk of your post. I hope s few others can get it also.

[billethkid]

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Great post.

[graciegirl]

CFrance saw all this comin'.


We just LOVE to bicker and debate.


And we sometimes strike nerves.


We are gonna see politics in most everything at our age. We didn't all used to be like that. I never thought of politics except when I was ready to vote twenty-thirty years ago. I have voted for both sides and changed my views many times over time. .


CFrance is smarter than the average bear. I like her to pieces.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

CFrance saw all this comin'.


We just LOVE to bicker and debate.


And we sometimes strike nerves.


We are gonna see politics in most everything at our age. We didn't all used to be like that. I never thought of politics except when I was ready to vote twenty-thirty years ago. I have voted for both sides and changed my views many times over time. .


CFrance is smarter than the average bear. I like her to pieces.

If two or three more would disappear, political would never come up. That would make climate a discussion rather than an argument. Global warming is here and has nothing to do with Washington.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

CFrance saw all this comin'.


We just LOVE to bicker and debate.


And we sometimes strike nerves.


We are gonna see politics in most everything at our age. We didn't all used to be like that. I never thought of politics except when I was ready to vote twenty-thirty years ago. I have voted for both sides and changed my views many times over time. .


CFrance is smarter than the average bear. I like her to pieces.

Thank you! But CFrance wishes she knew the truth of the matter and what to do about it. So I have been interested in all these responses, and probably fall somewhere in the middle. But it's frustrating trying to sort out what groups have an agenda over this issue and what groups don't.

I tend to agree with Coach Ed, mainly because I grew up spending summers at Lake Erie and remember when they closed all the beaches that I swam at as a kid because industry had so polluted the water. Then they were brought to task over that, and the river in Cleveland is no longer burning, and you can swim in Lake Erie again.

So I'm thinking there IS something mankind can do to help prevent the destruction of the planet.