[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What IS measurable is that the past 8 years globally are the warmest in RECORDED history. Also MEASURABLE is the rapid increase in the last few years of SEA LEVEL RISE. Climate scientists know that the cause of the sea level rise is the rapid falling away of the world's glaciers into the sea due to the earth's recent higher temperatures.

Care to modify that statement????? RECORDED history goes back about 6,000 years. Weather records go back about 150 years. So the truth is, NOBODY knows how the past 8 years compare to recorded history, much less the last 4 million years of our current ice age. You can walk back that first line to say in recorded weather history, but then you are looking at a miniscule slice of recorded history.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Scientists or stats suggest that temps increased since the "advent of the Industrial Revolution?" Can they prove that the industrial revolution caused the increasing in temps or can they just prove that the temps happen to rise and that there was an industrial revolution? I light a candle at 6am in the morning. At 7am the same morning the sun comes up and the temp rises. Did the candle make the temp warmer or did the natural rotation toward the sun make the temp rise?
Like I have said before, scientists make mistakes and then they flip and cover up their mistakes with scientific explanations. Not all scientists, but it does happen. Once an expert comes up with a theory, then many others jump on the band wagon. Just because many "experts" concur with one, does not make him/her right. Motivations make a difference also, as someone else said in an earlier post.
I don't support the Green New Deal. I have no intention of supporting the bankruptcy of our country, just to bankroll a fantasy. The only way man is going to control climate change is to build a huge dome over their environment where they can control the climate inside. Our world will change whether mankind is here or not. I agree that man can contribute to pollution and that can be remedied to a certain extent by lowering pollutants. I do not agree with some nuts idea of lowering the population of cattle to bring down the methane gas from flatulence.
Scientists have proven to us that plants thrive in CO2 and produce oxygen. Thank goodness we can't eliminate CO2.

When everything is going well and nature is in balance, the world's plants absorb 25% of the CO2. The planet's oceans absorb the remaining 75%. The problem is that TODAY the system is NOT in balance. This can be proved by the bleaching of the coral which is the new coral dying. The reason for this out-of-balance situation is the recent (especially the last 8 years) increase in the earth's heat - which is the subject of Global Warming that we are now discussing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon

Everything I have read agrees with your point on frequency. However, the problem is the increased intensity of the storms caused by the increased moisture due to the higher levels of CO2 that cause the warming of the ocean -- this is what we saw with Hurricane Ian.

Another point that I don't believe anyone addressed directly was the air quality problem caused by fossil fuels. This was a huge problem in China and which they are now working to fix. Also, in places like Salt Lake City, which has an inversion because of its topography, it has been exacerbated by the population explosion there and the overcrowded highways, causing it on one day in 2021 to have the worst air quality in the world. This is directly related to the exhaust from motor vehicles -- this was told to me by an EPA scientist.

So, as others have alluded to, overpopulation is a contributing factor to this issue.

Agreed. Many good points.

[Taltarzac725]

Historians did not seem to pay much attention to the weather before the 1920s except for major hurricanes and the like.

Meteorology - Wikipedia

Lewis Fry Richardson - Wikipedia

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by yeoldecurmudgeon

i think this topic is very important and should not be categorized as political. The problem is that there are those who have made it political. It affects us all, as we can see with the latest hurricane, which caused so much damage and flooding because according to the experts contained more water and flooding effects because of global warming.

this is climate change.

[Veiragirl]

Originally Posted by yeoldecurmudgeon

i think this topic is very important and should not be categorized as political. The problem is that there are those who have made it political. It affects us all, as we can see with the latest hurricane, which caused so much damage and flooding because according to the experts contained more water and flooding effects because of global warming.

so true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Red Rose]

We are trying to go green overnight instead of one step at a time. By going all in we are now creating worse problems for everyone. Trying to change things overnight like this makes
it difficult for the average person in the US to afford basic needs. If quality of life is destroyed for the sake of one person trying to look like a hero, then the green deal is sadly flawed and just plain disastrous.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

this is climate change.

People always die from heart attacks; why bother trying to prevent it? People are going to start dying from the results of Climate Change; why bother to try and prevent it - people are going to die anyway.

(Sarcasm, but two lines not one)

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

People always die from heart attacks; why bother trying to prevent it? People are going to start dying from the results of Climate Change; why bother to try and prevent it - people are going to die anyway.

(Sarcasm, but two lines not one)

Flood control in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

Some countries are doing things.

Room for the River (Netherlands - Wikipedia)

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Flood control in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

Some countries are doing things.

Room for the River (Netherlands - Wikipedia)

Yes, many are Even here in Florida, Miami is working on massive pumping stations and dikes to hold back the rising ocean. They have to pay for it themselves, but we are not allowed to discuss why the federal government refused their request for aid.

If climate change is real, the odds are S. Florida, all of it below Lake Ockachobee will be underwater, not much, but enough to destroy trillions of dollars of property.

This is expected in the next 30 to 50 years.

There are already discussions about if the State will subsidize insurance companies providing flood insurance. Sadly, unless the state/feds agree to go the route of Holland and build a massive dike system up the east and west coasts, I am completely opposed to taxpayers paying for the coming floods. It is time for property owners to start cutting their losses and getting out of S. Florida. Needless to say, that is going to be somewhat controversial.

On the other hand, I expect great deals on land on the coasts of S. Florida if you don't believe Climate Change is real.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

China is committed to and is making progress.

But that is not the most disturbing part of your comment. Are you saying that because we can't do everything, we shouldn't do anything?

Is that why China is building more coal fired electric plants and everyone else?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Care to modify that statement????? RECORDED history goes back about 6,000 years. Weather records go back about 150 years. So the truth is, NOBODY knows how the past 8 years compare to recorded history, much less the last 4 million years of our current ice age. You can walk back that first line to say in recorded weather history, but then you are looking at a miniscule slice of recorded history.

Yes, I did change it to the warmest 8 years in recorded weather history. Thanks!

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by rsibole

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot according to a report to the


Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.


Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

Are we drowning yet....

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Yes, many are Even here in Florida, Miami is working on massive pumping stations and dikes to hold back the rising ocean. They have to pay for it themselves, but we are not allowed to discuss why the federal government refused their request for aid.

If climate change is real, the odds are S. Florida, all of it below Lake Ockachobee will be underwater, not much, but enough to destroy trillions of dollars of property.

This is expected in the next 30 to 50 years.

There are already discussions about if the State will subsidize insurance companies providing flood insurance. Sadly, unless the state/feds agree to go the route of Holland and build a massive dike system up the east and west coasts, I am completely opposed to taxpayers paying for the coming floods. It is time for property owners to start cutting their losses and getting out of S. Florida. Needless to say, that is going to be somewhat controversial.

On the other hand, I expect great deals on land on the coasts of S. Florida if you don't believe Climate Change is real.

Since the vast majority of climate scientists predict continued Global Warming for the next 30 years, the US military and Navy are making contingency plans for abandoning many low-lying Naval bases on the East Coast. This includes Annapolis (and may include Jacksonville).

[MartinSE]

I recall almost exactly these same discussions a few years back when COVID started; just substitute Climate Change for COVID, and they are almost identical. Then 6.5 million people died.