[windylou]

Originally Posted by rogerrice60

Best reply yet!
Don't forget, in the 1960's people were claiming GLOBAL COOLING was going to tip the earth over due to the enlarging ice cap!
God's the only one who will destroy His earth.. Thank Him for His many blessings!

Thank you. This is my belief also that God created the earth, and you can see changes in forever time when there were so few men, women and children around to warm the earth. I will live my life watching the weather every day and marvel at the wonders.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Since the vast majority of climate scientists predict continued Global Warming for the next 30 years, the US military and Navy are making contingency plans for abandoning many low-lying Naval bases on the East Coast. This includes Annapolis (and may include Jacksonville).

I suppose it would be too much of an inconvenience to ask you for any reference material on that claim?

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I didn't thnk the Defence Department was a bunch of leftist liberals. I guess I was wrong.

[sarcasm]

Is this your way of saying goodbye?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Is this your way of saying goodbye?

LOL! I don't see a political letter in the whole post, but I guess it could be!

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

I suppose it would be too much of an inconvenience to ask you for any reference material on that claim?

A few tangent to the subject, while we wait for his reply.

Planning for Changing Sea Levels

DOD, Navy Confront Climate Change Challenges in Southern Virginia > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News

https://sgp.fas.org/crs/natsec/IF11275.pdf

‘Climate change is going to cost us’: How the US military is preparing for harsher environments

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

People always die from heart attacks; why bother trying to prevent it? People are going to start dying from the results of Climate Change; why bother to try and prevent it - people are going to die anyway.

(Sarcasm, but two lines not one)

And how many will die if we waste 100 trillion fighting “global warming “?

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by windylou

thank you. This is my belief also that god created the earth, and you can see changes in forever time when there were so few men, women and children around to warm the earth. I will live my life watching the weather every day and marvel at the wonders.

me too

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And how many will die if we waste 100 trillion fighting “global warming “?

I don't know, tell me HOW MANY. Please provide evidence.

Well, let me think, is this an exaggeration?

I don't recall any numbers over a trillion. And you know, we spent $3T fighting a war that we forgot to tell the military what victory looked like, so, after two decades, we tucked our tails between our legs and limped home. How many people died then?

$100T? I doubt it

$1T. Maybe, we gave way 3 times that much in COVID relief.

How many lives may die if Climate Change is real and we don't fight it?

In case you missed it, that post was labeled sarcasm.

[jimjamuser]

I just heard a news report on the radio that blends together current events, farming, and the HIGH COSTS of Global Warming that we have been discussing. The US produces 30% of the world's raw cotton. We all are now aware of the fact that the last 8 years were globally the hottest in about 150 years when temperatures began to be recorded. Well, this new recent occurrence ties these issues together. We, also, all know that there have been record and near-record temperatures set throughout the SouthWest US.

Well, northern Texas has just TRIED to harvest its cotton crop. Due to excessive heat, their cotton harvest is down a disastrous 50% or more from normal. The news article said that it would cost the north Texas area BILLIONS and would ripple through the state economy. Also, I imagine that the worldwide cost of finished cotton products will go up. I imagine that 1st thing tomorrow that I will run out and buy some cotton T-shirts and denim pants before the price goes up.

But seriously, I think that this is a good example of how everyday people can be affected by price increases and cost of living increases that are a direct result of the inability of humans to deal with the planet's heat increases. I am sure that there will be naysayers telling me that we just have an isolated incident here. But, I see the record heat in the SouthWest to be very meaningful, especially in light of all the examples that I and others have given about rising planetary heat.
..........The Mother Earth is trying to signal something to us humans and she is not being SUBTLE !

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I just heard a news report on the radio that blends together current events, farming, and the HIGH COSTS of Global Warming that we have been discussing. The US produces 30% of the world's raw cotton. We all are now aware of the fact that the last 8 years were globally the hottest in about 150 years when temperatures began to be recorded. Well, this new recent occurrence ties these issues together. We, also, all know that there have been record and near-record temperatures set throughout the SouthWest US.

Well, northern Texas has just TRIED to harvest its cotton crop. Due to excessive heat, their cotton harvest is down a disastrous 50% or more from normal. The news article said that it would cost the north Texas area BILLIONS and would ripple through the state economy. Also, I imagine that the worldwide cost of finished cotton products will go up. I imagine that 1st thing tomorrow that I will run out and buy some cotton T-shirts and denim pants before the price goes up.

But seriously, I think that this is a good example of how everyday people can be affected by price increases and cost of living increases that are a direct result of the inability of humans to deal with the planet's heat increases. I am sure that there will be naysayers telling me that we just have an isolated incident here. But, I see the record heat in the SouthWest to be very meaningful, especially in light of all the examples that I and others have given about rising planetary heat.
..........The Mother Earth is trying to signal something to us humans and she is not being SUBTLE !

Sadly, I am going to be one of THOSE.

I do believe this to be a singleton event. So, I personally will not use it as "proof."

I think it is worth noting and adding to the growing evidence, but it is just one data point out of literally millions in the database.

However, I think it is a good example of secondary effects that can ripple through the economy. And not just the US economy, the world will be impacted, not the end of the world impacted, but a little and every little bit hurts. You recall "death by a thousand cuts."

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I don't know, tell me HOW MANY. Please provide evidence.

Well, let me think, is this an exaggeration?

I don't recall any numbers over a trillion. And you know, we spent $3T fighting a war that we forgot to tell the military what victory looked like, so, after two decades, we tucked our tails between our legs and limped home. How many people died then?

$100T? I doubt it

$1T. Maybe, we gave way 3 times that much in COVID relief.

How many lives may die if Climate Change is real and we don't fight it?

In case you missed it, that post was labeled sarcasm.

Let's jog the memory:

"The McKinsey report puts it bluntly. To achieve net zero emissions by 2050 would require substantial capital allocation by governments and the private sector to transform the global economy – approximately US$9.2 trillion in annual spending on physical assets in energy and land use systems over the next 28 years. The net zero scenario has been estimated to cost around 7.5 per cent of global gross domestic product, while the increase in spending required over current levels works out to around half of all corporate profits and one-quarter of all tax revenues in 2020!"

Let's see: 9.2 T x 28 years =257.6 TRILLION. I guess I underestimated. "Nothing over 1 trillion" is simply delusional

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

When everything is going well and nature is in balance, the world's plants absorb 25% of the CO2. The planet's oceans absorb the remaining 75%. The problem is that TODAY the system is NOT in balance. This can be proved by the bleaching of the coral which is the new coral dying. The reason for this out-of-balance situation is the recent (especially the last 8 years) increase in the earth's heat - which is the subject of Global Warming that we are now discussing.

Is it "Global Warming" or Climate Change that we are discussing? My point is that the climate is always changing and that there is no proof that any of the changing is caused by man. Or, that man has any control over changing the cyclic changes in the climate.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Flood control in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

Some countries are doing things.

Room for the River (Netherlands - Wikipedia)

Actually, making changes to protect folks from the climate is not the same as controlling changes in the climate.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Let's jog the memory:

"The McKinsey report puts it bluntly. To achieve net zero emissions by 2050 would require substantial capital allocation by governments and the private sector to transform the global economy – approximately US$9.2 trillion in annual spending on physical assets in energy and land use systems over the next 28 years. The net zero scenario has been estimated to cost around 7.5 per cent of global gross domestic product, while the increase in spending required over current levels works out to around half of all corporate profits and one-quarter of all tax revenues in 2020!"

Let's see: 9.2 T x 28 years =257.6 TRILLION. I guess I underestimated. "Nothing over 1 trillion" is simply delusional

While we do this other nations like China will laugh at us while they take over the markets we used to sell to. None of this will go toward modernizing factories to produce products competively.

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

So, you think that by making rude insults you will encourage people to accept your view?
Do you have a degree in climatology? Where did you study and have you done any post-graduate work in the field? On that's right you are on the "common sense" side of the argument.
Please explain how electricity works?'
Please explain how a nuclear reactor works.
Please explain how a microwave oven works.
Please only use common sense - since you don't please people that have devoted their lives to studying the science behind why things work
And I am sure all the scientists have very low IQs and qualify as STUPID per your remarks

I am pretty sure that the rules of this forum say right at the top of every page: "USERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DIRECT COMMENTS TOWARD ANOTHER USER. DIRECT THEM TO THE TOPIC. VIOLATION OF THESE RULES CAN LEAD TO ACCOUNT TERMINATION AND BAN."

Please address the topic & do not cast aspersions & we will all have a more satisfying, cordial, & productive exchange of views.