[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And someone is ignoring the principle of PROGRESS and modernization of that aforementioned electrical grid. And NOW we are BACK to everyone's fav......Oliver Stone, who was CONVINCING the world's business peeps that NUCLEAR Energy can be safe AND supply all the vast quantities of electricity needed for ALL those VERY EFFICIENT E-VEHICLES of OUR FUTURE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Amazing that you actually think that Oliver Stone's brilliant mind came up with that solution...

[MorTech]

Actually Richard Feynman and Niels Bohr did.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm still wrapping my mind around the fact that some of you, who present yourselves as intellectuals - have never heard of Noam Chomsky til this thread.

As Kelly Bundy says, "The mind wobbles."

Semi-guilty as charged. Prior to this thread (and still) I VAGUELY remember the name (because his is a unique name, very cool). I believe someone said on a post that Chomski was in the news around 1965. At that time most of my reading activities were from a subscription to Time magazine. The Vietnam war occupied most of the articles that I wanted to stay on top of.......also scientific developments.
.......So, I confess I never read any in-depth article about Mr. Chomski. At that time, I was more curious about characters like Tesla, Warren Zevon, President LBJ, Hollywood movies, Electrical Engineering, solid-state calculus, differential equations, Lunar and space science, dog training, dog breeding books, pheasant hunting, bow hunting, hunting pronghorn antelope with a bow, ballistics and gun magazines, sports car characteristics, auto repair, playing high-level basketball, reading tennis books, scuba diving, running in 10-mile races, riding motorcycles and reading about them, lifting weights, drinking, and general carousing.

So basically, at that time, I was NOT too interested in philosophy (although as a young person, I admired Socrates .....mind AND body) or metaphysical concepts. Basically, I was NOT an intellectual, I thought of myself as a pseudo-intellectual.........and STILL do. However, I forgot that I read a book on hypnosis and then was able to hypnotize some friends, but I got scared and stopped when I had much trouble having one come OUT, a scary situation.
......NOI an intellectual.......that's my life story and it has no glory.
.......Got to go now......got to Chomski on some breakfast.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Semi-guilty as charged. Prior to this thread (and still) I VAGUELY remember the name (because his is a unique name, very cool). I believe someone said on a post that Chomski was in the news around 1965. At that time most of my reading activities were from a subscription to Time magazine. The Vietnam war occupied most of the articles that I wanted to stay on top of.......also scientific developments.
.......So, I confess I never read any in-depth article about Mr. Chomski. At that time, I was more curious about characters like Tesla, Warren Zevon, President LBJ, Hollywood movies, Electrical Engineering, solid-state calculus, differential equations, Lunar and space science, dog training, dog breeding books, pheasant hunting, bow hunting, hunting pronghorn antelope with a bow, ballistics and gun magazines, sports car characteristics, auto repair, playing high-level basketball, reading tennis books, scuba diving, running in 10-mile races, riding motorcycles and reading about them, lifting weights, drinking, and general carousing.

So basically, at that time, I was NOT too interested in philosophy (although as a young person, I admired Socrates .....mind AND body) or metaphysical concepts. Basically, I was NOT an intellectual, I thought of myself as a pseudo-intellectual.........and STILL do. However, I forgot that I read a book on hypnosis and then was able to hypnotize some friends, but I got scared and stopped when I had much trouble having one come OUT, a scary situation.
......NOI an intellectual.......that's my life story and it has no glory.

Good reason not to have known Chomsky. My excuse is that I was 5 years old at the beginning of 1965 and therefore not "an intellectual"

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm still wrapping my mind around the fact that some of you, who present yourselves as intellectuals - have never heard of Noam Chomsky til this thread.

As Kelly Bundy says, "The mind wobbles."

That was really a good place for a Kelly Bundy quote...........KUDOS

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Yes, wooden bowls that harbor bacteria and cause your food to spoil much faster... Glass is better...

Good point, yes glass would be best and not throw-away as much as plastic bowls and cups. Thank you for pointing that out.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Good reason not to have known Chomsky. My excuse is that I was 5 years old at the beginning of 1965 and therefore not "an intellectual"

Oh, I am SURE that you were very cute and cuddly at age 5. And maybe you had a toy 3 iron to practice with.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Oh, I am SURE that you were very cute and cuddly at age 5. And maybe you had a toy 3 iron to practice with.

1 iron
maybe someone else had a toy Karl Marx doll

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I use paper plates. I EVEN wash the paper plates and use them twice if food is NOT too caked on them. I wash glass and ceramic glasses and cups also. I would NOT ever have a dishwasher in the house, but I will use a stove and a microwave. That is pretty SMALL potatoes and just personal choice when it compares to the BIG picture of Global Warming. People need to be aware of what they are doing. For example, many people like to sport fish. You can do it from a lake bank or from a row boat and have a pretty good time and have a SMALL environmentaL FOOTPRINT. Some people feel that they NEED a 200-horsepower boat to RACE out into the Gulf to supposedly get to the Best fishing areas. There is something IRONIC about fishing that way. To have the BEST sport fishing on the planet you need to have HEALTHY Coral Reefs - like the ones in say (?) 1950 which you could walk to in MIAMI right offshore. Today to get to a reasonable reef you need to go 20 miles offshore and be over a reef 200 feet down. What's ironic is the CO and CO2 fumes from the 200 hp engine are what is KILLING the reefs and making them harder to reach and FURTHER offshore.

I would submit that the most increase in the heating blanket in the upper atmosphere has been caused by engines burning fossil fuel. So, whatever an INDIVIDUAL could do to DECREASE their use of internal combustion engines would be the MAIN answer to improving Global warming. Electric vehicles (of ALL kinds) are better than ICE vehicles because the point of origin for electrical energy is a single large energy EFFICIENT power plant with scrubbers on their exhaust. Whereas, ICE vehicles are EACH inefficient and polluting.
.......That IS why the answer for an INDIVIDUAL is to transport themselves by bicycle, Ebike, E golf cart, E car, and
E truck. E-vehicles are simple compared to ICE vehicles, easy to repair, lighter, lower center of gravity, and will with increased production......be less costly......all while giving off less pollution and allowing Mother Earth to return to a healthier environment for people.........and for saving Polar bears and preventing the wholesale vanishing of species from the planet that is going on RIGHT NOW at a terrible RATE.

How is washing a paper plate after use, to use again then discard, better then using a ceramic/porcelain plate?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Whitley

How is washing a paper plate after use, to use again then discard, better then using a ceramic/porcelain plate?

My guess is that he thinks he will reverse 23,000 years of global warming driven by the power of the sun and changes in the Earth's axis by not using 2 quarts of hot water

Of course, that paper plate will go to Ocala and get burned, adding to his fear of the dreaded CO2

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I already covered the idea in that last sentence. Bottom line E-vehicles are here to stay. Just look out your window at the E-bike and E-golf carts go by. It is just the beginning. E-vehicles will decrease in price as MORE people buy them. As more people WANT them ........more companies will SUPPLY them. The companies compete on price and the price goes DOWN. That is just a LAW of business.

Agreed that it would NOT be a good idea to replace ICE vehicles before an adequate supply of E-vehicles is being manufactured. Maybe you are referring to California, which is seeking to STIMULATE the evolution and trend toward E-vehicles by passing legislation.........I don't know the details of it......just at (SOME) date in the future (maybe 2035 or 40) they will REQUIRE all NEW vehicles sold in Ca. to be ELECTRIC. They are NOT banning ICE vehicles from operating in Ca. They are merely doing what GOOD government SHOULD do........shoving / motivating people toward ACCEPTANCE of NEW and better ideas. They have experts that can read the FUTURE somewhat better than the "man on the street". Sort of like Social Security and the Affordable Care Act, which were GREAT for American older and low-income people, but were initially considered too PROGRESSIVE to be functional. Those are examples of the government LEADING America into a better future.

Like I said before, EVs have been around since the 1800's. Looks like the world decided that ICE vehicles were more viable as a mode of commute. How's that EV idea coming along after two hundred years? You mentioned E-bikes and golf carts? Sorry, but they ain't in the same category as REAL transportation.
Hope you are NOT serious about the ACA and SS. Our gov. has already proven that they are totally inept at ANY business management. Case in point, the USPS. Social Security? Sorry, but that is in no way as efficient as privately managed investments.
But, we were not speaking of pie in the sky ideas that always seem to go over like a lead balloon when it comes to gov. management. We were speaking of the evolution of personal transport. I am sure that EV's may hold a "warm" spot in the future, but in the past two hundred years, they have certainly not become the popular or affordable mode of personal transport. Now, if you wish to suggest mass transit such as what is available overseas, I might agree with the idea of our country investing in it. However, in other countries taxes have to be levied to have the gov build the infrastructure. And then taxes for subsidizing travel/commuting for the average citizen.
Like it has been mentioned many times before on here, in order to have a system able to handle the massive drain of electricity power in this country, it's going to cost billions/trillions of power plant expansion. Now we have to consider the increase in HEAT and what it will do to the "climate." Science Fiction is a great past time, but pragmatic thinking is required for sensible and logical progress.
And surely you do not believe that our current problem with inflation is not related to the increased price of oil in this country due to closing down the pipeline, taxes and other related focusing on forcing American citizens to move to inadequate solar, wind and battery power? Someone is sure making a lot of money off of the ignorance of our citizens.

[Byte1]

"I would NOT ever have a dishwasher in the house, but I will use a stove and a microwave. "

Hmm, I believe that a dishwasher uses less water than washing dishes by hand. Tip: if you are truly sincere about saving the world, use the heat package in MRE meals. No fire used, so less pollution. Don't even need to use "paper plates" either. Just eat the meals out of the packages.

[ex34449]

I don't consider myself to be a doom and gloomer but... the world simply cannot sustain us all, as we are. The damage that we have already done is irreversible. The climate is changing. It's been doing that for far longer than we have been on this earth but the level of pollution, ecological damage that we have brought on this earth simply cannot be un done.
How long will it be before we create something that kills at a rate, faster than we can invent a cure? Well, that's already been created.
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We've taken a ball of life we call earth and turned her into a toilet that we've already flushed. No one to blame but ourselves and there's no such thing as un flushing. We just all haven't landed in the cesspool yet.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm still wrapping my mind around the fact that some of you, who present yourselves as intellectuals - have never heard of Noam Chomsky til this thread.

As Kelly Bundy says, "The mind wobbles."

Other than to a few old marxist hippies he isn't that important of a figure anymore.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

1 iron
maybe someone else had a toy Karl Marx doll

Oh Yes, treasure the memories of MY special "Kuddly Karl" doll. I hear that some kids had a Joseph "Joyful Joey" McCarthy doll. They were too expensive, my parents could NOT afford a "JOEY" for me.