[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Whitley

How is washing a paper plate after use, to use again then discard, better then using a ceramic/porcelain plate?

Not better than a ceramic plate, BUT MUCH, MUCH better than a plastic plate for the environment.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

My guess is that he thinks he will reverse 23,000 years of global warming driven by the power of the sun and changes in the Earth's axis by not using 2 quarts of hot water

Of course, that paper plate will go to Ocala and get burned, adding to his fear of the dreaded CO2

Good guess, but actually since the plates are paper, which comes from wood, which is a RENEWABLE RESOURCE - I can simply bury them close to my tree roots and thus feed the tree. And most people wash ceramic dishes in an automatic dishwasher, which uses lots of electricity (and makes the A/C waste electricity) AND lots of phosphates and other carcinogens. Chlorine in detergent is toxic to aquatic life. A partial list of problem ingredients in dishwater and laundry soap consists of phosphates, chlorine, dye, fragrance, dioxane, and everyone's FAV........drum roll, please.....FORMALDEHYDE !

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Like I said before, EVs have been around since the 1800's. Looks like the world decided that ICE vehicles were more viable as a mode of commute. How's that EV idea coming along after two hundred years? You mentioned E-bikes and golf carts? Sorry, but they ain't in the same category as REAL transportation.
Hope you are NOT serious about the ACA and SS. Our gov. has already proven that they are totally inept at ANY business management. Case in point, the USPS. Social Security? Sorry, but that is in no way as efficient as privately managed investments.
But, we were not speaking of pie in the sky ideas that always seem to go over like a lead balloon when it comes to gov. management. We were speaking of the evolution of personal transport. I am sure that EV's may hold a "warm" spot in the future, but in the past two hundred years, they have certainly not become the popular or affordable mode of personal transport. Now, if you wish to suggest mass transit such as what is available overseas, I might agree with the idea of our country investing in it. However, in other countries taxes have to be levied to have the gov build the infrastructure. And then taxes for subsidizing travel/commuting for the average citizen.
Like it has been mentioned many times before on here, in order to have a system able to handle the massive drain of electricity power in this country, it's going to cost billions/trillions of power plant expansion. Now we have to consider the increase in HEAT and what it will do to the "climate." Science Fiction is a great past time, but pragmatic thinking is required for sensible and logical progress.
And surely you do not believe that our current problem with inflation is not related to the increased price of oil in this country due to closing down the pipeline, taxes and other related focusing on forcing American citizens to move to inadequate solar, wind and battery power? Someone is sure making a lot of money off of the ignorance of our citizens.

Everybody knows that OIL price is a very LARGE part of the current INFLATION. And STREET CARS in many American cities have run on electrical energy and electrical motors since probably about 1900. Remember "a Street Car Named Desire"?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Good reason not to have known Chomsky. My excuse is that I was 5 years old at the beginning of 1965 and therefore not "an intellectual"

Pffft... I was 7 and read Chomsky religiously... In fact, I did my 1st grade thesis on him...

And what's the deal on "Warren Zevon" in 1965? He had one minor hit (as a duo) in '66 and didn't make a name for himself until '75...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

1 iron
maybe someone else had a toy Karl Marx doll

I call BS...

"Even God can't hit a 1 iron"

- Lee Trevino

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Everybody knows that OIL price is a very LARGE part of the current INFLATION. And STREET CARS in many American cities have run on electrical energy and electrical motors since probably about 1900. Remember "a Street Car Named Desire"?

I'd tell you the cause of our current inflation, but I'd get a "time out"

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Semi-guilty as charged. Prior to this thread (and still) I VAGUELY remember the name (because his is a unique name, very cool). I believe someone said on a post that Chomski was in the news around 1965. At that time most of my reading activities were from a subscription to Time magazine. The Vietnam war occupied most of the articles that I wanted to stay on top of.......also scientific developments.
.......So, I confess I never read any in-depth article about Mr. Chomski. At that time, I was more curious about characters like Tesla, Warren Zevon, President LBJ, Hollywood movies, Electrical Engineering, solid-state calculus, differential equations, Lunar and space science, dog training, dog breeding books, pheasant hunting, bow hunting, hunting pronghorn antelope with a bow, ballistics and gun magazines, sports car characteristics, auto repair, playing high-level basketball, reading tennis books, scuba diving, running in 10-mile races, riding motorcycles and reading about them, lifting weights, drinking, and general carousing.

So basically, at that time, I was NOT too interested in philosophy (although as a young person, I admired Socrates .....mind AND body) or metaphysical concepts. Basically, I was NOT an intellectual, I thought of myself as a pseudo-intellectual.........and STILL do. However, I forgot that I read a book on hypnosis and then was able to hypnotize some friends, but I got scared and stopped when I had much trouble having one come OUT, a scary situation.
......NOI an intellectual.......that's my life story and it has no glory.
.......Got to go now......got to Chomski on some breakfast.

Chomsky, not Chomski. And it's Professor, not Mister. He was a Professor at MIT when I went to college up the street at Emerson back in the early 1980's. My claim to fame re: Chomsky - he put a $1 bill in my guitar case when I was performing in Harvard Square once.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Excellent talk on climate change. It is from the Oxford Union Society debates on January 12, 2023.

https://youtu.be/zJdqJu-6ZPo

Agree, great video. He points out the fraud and hypocrisy in today's climate alarmism. Today's non-stop media blitz of climate misinformation is creating unnecessary climate fear, when in fact, today's climate is much better than when CO2 levels were much lower. Much of this alarmism was created by Carl Sagan with his misguided "runaway greenhouse affect" theory on Venus. This unfortunate Sagan legacy will be reviewed at the Weather Club's February meeting ... The Villages Weather Club

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Chomsky, not Chomski. And it's Professor, not Mister. He was a Professor at MIT when I went to college up the street at Emerson back in the early 1980's. My claim to fame re: Chomsky - he put a $1 bill in my guitar case when I was performing in Harvard Square once.

OK, Professor Chomsky - I will always remember that. And a dollar was probably worth about $2.50 in today's dollars. Sounds like he was a "man of the people". If he taught at MIT then that by itself makes him my hero. I believe in education and especially top University education. I will read about him.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Pffft... I was 7 and read Chomsky religiously... In fact, I did my 1st grade thesis on him...

And what's the deal on "Warren Zevon" in 1965? He had one minor hit (as a duo) in '66 and didn't make a name for himself until '75...

Nice that someone mentioned MY FAV.....the great legend Warren Zevon. Someone else mentioned 1965, I was talking about his whole superb and wonderous career. Most remember his "Werewolves of London" which was over-played. I got tired of hearing that because it was just a throwaway novelty song. The novelty-type songs were BIG back then and made many people the BIG bucks.
......He had some more substantial songs (not hits). My personal FAV was, "Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner" ........That one was way COOL, just unique and extraordinary. Next, I would rate, "Send Lawyers, Guns,
and Money". Next, "He's Just an Excitable Boy". Next, "Poor, Poor, Pitiful, Me". Next, "I'll Sleep When I'm Dead".
.......They all have "catchy titles".

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I call BS...

"Even God can't hit a 1 iron"

- Lee Trevino

I believe that Arnold Palmer could. But, then he was God-like and well-liked and from a beautiful small city located in God's country.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Here we go again.

1) In the long term, "climate change" is a problem----after all, in 25,000 years NY City will be under 400 feet of water, and 50,000 years after that it will be under 2 miles of ice. So yes, it is a problem, assuming humans aren't extinct in that time frame, in which case it might be a problem for cockroaches to deal with.

2) IF, and it's a big IF human civilization is a contributing factor, it is miniscule at best. This is not withstanding the assertion by another climate change "believer" that cow farts are the biggest problem. Maybe cows will still be around in 25,000 years. To those who "believe", in anthropomorphic global warming (along with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy), explain how human civilization has caused 23,000 years of global warming to the tune of approximately 8 degrees F. Did we use the wrong kind of wood fire to cook our mastodon and saber tooth tiger meat in our caves???? Did Fred Flintstone's SUV only get 8 mpg??? Or do they just want to harp on how the ONE latest hurricane reflects 100,000 years of climate change? Give us a break from delusional thinking.

3) Of course we can reduce our "contribution", but keep in mind half of nothing is still nothing. But by all means let's spend the proposed 100 TRILLION dollars to try.

Ditto ... Golfing Eagles for President.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Agree, great video. He points out the fraud and hypocrisy in today's climate alarmism. Today's non-stop media blitz of climate misinformation is creating unnecessary climate fear, when in fact, today's climate is much better than when CO2 levels were much lower. Much of this alarmism was created by Carl Sagan with his misguided "runaway greenhouse affect" theory on Venus. This unfortunate Sagan legacy will be reviewed at the Weather Club's February meeting ... The Villages Weather Club

And in March they are going to take a field trip and explore Venus.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Ditto ... Golfing Eagles for President.

Double Ditto.....GE for President............of the Villages Weather Club.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And in March they are going to take a field trip and explore Venus.

The Weather Club does not do field trips. It just takes trips to explore data, such as this one showing how the oceans are cooling -- which parallels the atmosphere's 7-year cooling trend.