Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178201)

OK, I will Google Chomsky and I will do that simply because it seems to mean a lot to yourself and I ADMIRE the emotional commitment to your hypothesis.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178240)

Does the saying "Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in a while" ring a bell? He'a a "legendary intellect"? Bwahahaha! He's a bit of a lunatic conspirascy theorist...

That's Oliver Stone... Being a movie producer, or an actor, for that matter means nothing other than you can produce movies or act...

And now you're going with the oil & gas industry "infiltrated the anti-nuke movement???

I gotta' give you credit. You do continue to "jamuse" me! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178240)

Does the saying "Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in a while" ring a bell? He'a a "legendary intellect"? Bwahahaha! He's a bit of a lunatic conspirascy theorist...

That's Oliver Stone... Being a movie producer, or an actor, for that matter means nothing other than you can produce movies or act...

And now you're going with the oil & gas industry "infiltrated the anti-nuke movement???

I gotta' give you credit. You do continue to "jamuse" me! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178322)

Hey, I just thought of something, I may write to Oliver Stone and suggest that he get a script written and direct a movie about how the Gas and Oil industries paid subversive agents to embed themselves within the anti-nuke and anti-oil spill radical lefty wing-nuts. Maybe Greta Thunberg IS a DOUBLE-agent. Oh boy.......the plot thickens. Maybe I will even write that book......that will keep me busy, out of trouble, and off the pages of TOTV for a year. But, I might be missed.....or NOT.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178249)

Stone hasn't directed a non-conspiracy movie in 20 years...

He went off the deep end decades ago...

And here's what your idol does when she's alone...

"Plastics"...

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Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2177144)

But, what you are not saying, or admitting to, is that they (climate scary people) are TEARING DOWN existing energy sources BEFORE the new technologies are available. Ruining our (US) economy and lifestyles while China, India, Central American make NO CHANGES to their responsible and larger impacts, is ludicrous. Electric Cars are a joke - batteries are worse for the planet than fossil fuels. etc. etc. Develop real energey solutions, not solar/wind where the elites are skimming billions of dollars.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2178301)

Yep, he means a lot to me. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: Never heard of him until my brother in law sent me that link a week ago.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178340)

As to E-vehicles being a "joke" and E-batteries "being worse for the planet than fossil fuel".....that MAY OR MAY NOT be true - regardless, battery technology is in the Model T - type early days of development. They will, in coming years get lighter, stronger, available everywhere, produce more current, and will probably be recyclable into new, refreshed batteries. I read a story on a NEW battery concept with an air dielectric between the + and - plates. Development will accelerate just like an E-vehicle can accelerate far quicker than an in-fer-nal combustion antique vehicle. See all those pistons STRUGGLING to go up and then down, while the E-vehicle engine is SMOOTHLY turning in a circle.

Saudi Arabian officials themselves have stated that they will run out of OIL in 20 YEARS. So, what do you think that will do to the price of oil and a gal of gasoline? Gas could become so expensive that ICE vehicles become LAWN ornaments. Meanwhile, electric vehicles' prices will be down and electric energy will be generated by CLEAN, SAFE nuclear reactors, or even some new, better technology.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2178468)

Ever heard of the "rotary engine?" Hmmm, haven't heard much of it lately.
"run out of oil in 20 years?" America is supposed to have another 500 years worth. Ever heard of ICE being fueled by used fast food oil? Ever heard of fuel made from corn? Sugar?
Battery powered cars. Yes, they have been around for over a hundred years. Don't you think that if they were so great that they would be more popular by now? I suppose "some" folks believe that the oil industry conspiracy would be that great amounts of money is being used to subdue electric car exploration?
Maybe electric power will replace ICE but it's rather stupid to ban ICE before electric power is a plausible replacement. And that is exactly what is being attempted, banning a reasonable mode of transportation to be replaced by inadequate pie in the sky ideas. Replacing the horse pulling a wagon with a goat is not considered improving ones ability to travel. All we are doing right now is attempting to take away the low income populations' ability to travel to their places of employment, shopping and medical appointments. Electric vehicles are out of the low income populations' grasp.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178312)

Gad dam happy to Jamuse somebody.......Now Oliver Stone MUST have SOME credibility with SOMEone in order to be invited to speak at Davos. I didn't get an invitation, maybe it got lost in the mail. Regardless of Mr. Stone's qualifications for speaking there.......He DID speak there and I agree with him that the recent modern version of Nuclear Energy has great potential to REDRESS the major problems of Global Warming (species extinction being only one small problem) Coal mining causes injuries and hurts the environment. Gas pipes leading to residential homes are notorious for leaking. Gas stoves have exploded from time to time and caught homes on fire. In the past, there was a large oil pipe rupture spilling oil throughout the Gulf of Mexico.
.......So basically, ALL types of energy have the POWER to produce destruction. After all, they have POWER which can NOT be perfectly functioning at ALL times.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178322)

Hey, I just thought of something, I may write to Oliver Stone and suggest that he get a script written and direct a movie about how the Gas and Oil industries paid subversive agents to embed themselves within the anti-nuke and anti-oil spill radical lefty wing-nuts. Maybe Greta Thunberg IS a DOUBLE-agent. Oh boy.......the plot thickens. Maybe I will even write that book......that will keep me busy, out of trouble, and off the pages of TOTV for a year. But, I might be missed.....or NOT.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178327)

Please, it is NOT nice to pick on poor, little Tunnybergie. Always RESPECT your non-elders. In the photograph's right front foreground, it looks like a corrugated PAPER coffee cup. The mustard and ketchup containers on the left are plastic, but they probably belong at the table on that train. She can't arbitrarily throw them out, can she? And she is eating bananas to help prevent poverty in the southern hemisphere. (how thoughtful). So, my conclusion is still.......you GO, Greta girl.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178340)

As to E-vehicles being a "joke" and E-batteries "being worse for the planet than fossil fuel".....that MAY OR MAY NOT be true - regardless, battery technology is in the Model T - type early days of development. They will, in coming years get lighter, stronger, available everywhere, produce more current, and will probably be recyclable into new, refreshed batteries. I read a story on a NEW battery concept with an air dielectric between the + and - plates. Development will accelerate just like an E-vehicle can accelerate far quicker than an in-fer-nal combustion antique vehicle. See all those pistons STRUGGLING to go up and then down, while the E-vehicle engine is SMOOTHLY turning in a circle.

Saudi Arabian officials themselves have stated that they will run out of OIL in 20 YEARS. So, what do you think that will do to the price of oil and a gal of gasoline? Gas could become so expensive that ICE vehicles become LAWN ornaments. Meanwhile, electric vehicles' prices will be down and electric energy will be generated by CLEAN, SAFE nuclear reactors, or even some new, better technology.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2178468)

Ever heard of the "rotary engine?" Hmmm, haven't heard much of it lately.
"run out of oil in 20 years?" America is supposed to have another 500 years worth. Ever heard of ICE being fueled by used fast food oil? Ever heard of fuel made from corn? Sugar?
Battery powered cars. Yes, they have been around for over a hundred years. Don't you think that if they were so great that they would be more popular by now? I suppose "some" folks believe that the oil industry conspiracy would be that great amounts of money is being used to subdue electric car exploration?
Maybe electric power will replace ICE but it's rather stupid to ban ICE before electric power is a plausible replacement. And that is exactly what is being attempted, banning a reasonable mode of transportation to be replaced by inadequate pie in the sky ideas. Replacing the horse pulling a wagon with a goat is not considered improving ones ability to travel. All we are doing right now is attempting to take away the low income populations' ability to travel to their places of employment, shopping and medical appointments. Electric vehicles are out of the low income populations' grasp.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178566)

I already covered the idea in that last sentence. Bottom line E-vehicles are here to stay. Just look out your window at the E-bike and E-golf carts go by. It is just the beginning. E-vehicles will decrease in price as MORE people buy them. As more people WANT them ........more companies will SUPPLY them. The companies compete on price and the price goes DOWN. That is just a LAW of business.

Agreed that it would NOT be a good idea to replace ICE vehicles before an adequate supply of E-vehicles is being manufactured. Maybe you are referring to California, which is seeking to STIMULATE the evolution and trend toward E-vehicles by passing legislation.........I don't know the details of it......just at (SOME) date in the future (maybe 2035 or 40) they will REQUIRE all NEW vehicles sold in Ca. to be ELECTRIC. They are NOT banning ICE vehicles from operating in Ca. They are merely doing what GOOD government SHOULD do........shoving / motivating people toward ACCEPTANCE of NEW and better ideas. They have experts that can read the FUTURE somewhat better than the "man on the street". Sort of like Social Security and the Affordable Care Act, which were GREAT for American older and low-income people, but were initially considered too PROGRESSIVE to be functional. Those are examples of the government LEADING America into a better future.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178595)

Yes, he has "credibility" among the globalists at Davos... And apparently with you... To the rest of the sane world, the a whacky conspiracy theorist...

And you're correct. EVERYTHING as an element of risk. Windmills kill large birds. Birds that you and I would be jailed for killing.

Solar farms not only cook birds, they raise the global temperature, adding to your dreaded "Global Warming"...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178605)

You're off by a more than a power of 10...

"Saudi Arabia has proven reserves equivalent to 221.2 times its annual consumption. This means that, without Net Exports, there would be about 221 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves)."

Missed it by -that- much...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178607)

Prezactly!

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178605)

You're off by a more than a power of 10...

"Saudi Arabia has proven reserves equivalent to 221.2 times its annual consumption. This means that, without Net Exports, there would be about 221 years of oil left (at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves)."

Missed it by -that- much...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178610)

You completely ignore the inadequacies of the power grid to handle all of these new e-vehicles...

And don't get me started on the "affordable care act". There is NOTHING affordable about it... Nor does it provide better care...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178610)

You completely ignore the inadequacies of the power grid to handle all of these new e-vehicles...

And don't get me started on the "affordable care act". There is NOTHING affordable about it... Nor does it provide better care...

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178772)

True that black solar panels would raise the surrounding temperature. But, they would certainly raise it less than COAL would in China. Now would solar panels raise it more or less than the use of natural gas at power plants. ICE vehicles would be the worst because their pollution goes to the upper atmosphere and provides a HEAT blanket. so, ICE vehicles would BOTH give off HEAT AND hurt the upper atmosphere, whereas the Solar Panels would only give off heat.
........And yes that is CORRECT about windmills. Everything has a DOWNSIDE. The trick is to get the system with the most positives and the minimum negatives.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178778)

I can't believe it. This IS SO OBVIOUS. Saudi Arabia EXPORTS the majority of the OIL that it pumps out of the ground. At the current rate that Saudi Arabia SELLS to the world .....they ONLY have 20 years worth. How can I be doubted??????
It is MEANINGLESS how long their OIL would LAST if ONLY they consumed it.

This brings up the point that probably the US should never again export its OIL because it should keep it in the bank (the ground) to use for medicines and some for plastics.........although I would prefer more use of things like wood bowls and furniture instead of plastics.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178786)

And someone is ignoring the principle of PROGRESS and modernization of that aforementioned electrical grid. And NOW we are BACK to everyone's fav......Oliver Stone, who was CONVINCING the world's business peeps that NUCLEAR Energy can be safe AND supply all the vast quantities of electricity needed for ALL those VERY EFFICIENT E-VEHICLES of OUR FUTURE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2178790)

I'm still wrapping my mind around the fact that some of you, who present yourselves as intellectuals - have never heard of Noam Chomsky til this thread.

As Kelly Bundy says, "The mind wobbles."

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178944)

Semi-guilty as charged. Prior to this thread (and still) I VAGUELY remember the name (because his is a unique name, very cool). I believe someone said on a post that Chomski was in the news around 1965. At that time most of my reading activities were from a subscription to Time magazine. The Vietnam war occupied most of the articles that I wanted to stay on top of.......also scientific developments.
.......So, I confess I never read any in-depth article about Mr. Chomski. At that time, I was more curious about characters like Tesla, Warren Zevon, President LBJ, Hollywood movies, Electrical Engineering, solid-state calculus, differential equations, Lunar and space science, dog training, dog breeding books, pheasant hunting, bow hunting, hunting pronghorn antelope with a bow, ballistics and gun magazines, sports car characteristics, auto repair, playing high-level basketball, reading tennis books, scuba diving, running in 10-mile races, riding motorcycles and reading about them, lifting weights, drinking, and general carousing.

So basically, at that time, I was NOT too interested in philosophy (although as a young person, I admired Socrates .....mind AND body) or metaphysical concepts. Basically, I was NOT an intellectual, I thought of myself as a pseudo-intellectual.........and STILL do. However, I forgot that I read a book on hypnosis and then was able to hypnotize some friends, but I got scared and stopped when I had much trouble having one come OUT, a scary situation.
......NOI an intellectual.......that's my life story and it has no glory.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2178790)

I'm still wrapping my mind around the fact that some of you, who present yourselves as intellectuals - have never heard of Noam Chomsky til this thread.

As Kelly Bundy says, "The mind wobbles."

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2178813)

Yes, wooden bowls that harbor bacteria and cause your food to spoil much faster... Glass is better...

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2178945)

Good reason not to have known Chomsky. My excuse is that I was 5 years old at the beginning of 1965 and therefore not "an intellectual"

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178953)

Oh, I am SURE that you were very cute and cuddly at age 5. And maybe you had a toy 3 iron to practice with.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2177268)

I use paper plates. I EVEN wash the paper plates and use them twice if food is NOT too caked on them. I wash glass and ceramic glasses and cups also. I would NOT ever have a dishwasher in the house, but I will use a stove and a microwave. That is pretty SMALL potatoes and just personal choice when it compares to the BIG picture of Global Warming. People need to be aware of what they are doing. For example, many people like to sport fish. You can do it from a lake bank or from a row boat and have a pretty good time and have a SMALL environmentaL FOOTPRINT. Some people feel that they NEED a 200-horsepower boat to RACE out into the Gulf to supposedly get to the Best fishing areas. There is something IRONIC about fishing that way. To have the BEST sport fishing on the planet you need to have HEALTHY Coral Reefs - like the ones in say (?) 1950 which you could walk to in MIAMI right offshore. Today to get to a reasonable reef you need to go 20 miles offshore and be over a reef 200 feet down. What's ironic is the CO and CO2 fumes from the 200 hp engine are what is KILLING the reefs and making them harder to reach and FURTHER offshore.

I would submit that the most increase in the heating blanket in the upper atmosphere has been caused by engines burning fossil fuel. So, whatever an INDIVIDUAL could do to DECREASE their use of internal combustion engines would be the MAIN answer to improving Global warming. Electric vehicles (of ALL kinds) are better than ICE vehicles because the point of origin for electrical energy is a single large energy EFFICIENT power plant with scrubbers on their exhaust. Whereas, ICE vehicles are EACH inefficient and polluting.
.......That IS why the answer for an INDIVIDUAL is to transport themselves by bicycle, Ebike, E golf cart, E car, and
E truck. E-vehicles are simple compared to ICE vehicles, easy to repair, lighter, lower center of gravity, and will with increased production......be less costly......all while giving off less pollution and allowing Mother Earth to return to a healthier environment for people.........and for saving Polar bears and preventing the wholesale vanishing of species from the planet that is going on RIGHT NOW at a terrible RATE.

Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2178988)

How is washing a paper plate after use, to use again then discard, better then using a ceramic/porcelain plate?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2178566)

I already covered the idea in that last sentence. Bottom line E-vehicles are here to stay. Just look out your window at the E-bike and E-golf carts go by. It is just the beginning. E-vehicles will decrease in price as MORE people buy them. As more people WANT them ........more companies will SUPPLY them. The companies compete on price and the price goes DOWN. That is just a LAW of business.

Agreed that it would NOT be a good idea to replace ICE vehicles before an adequate supply of E-vehicles is being manufactured. Maybe you are referring to California, which is seeking to STIMULATE the evolution and trend toward E-vehicles by passing legislation.........I don't know the details of it......just at (SOME) date in the future (maybe 2035 or 40) they will REQUIRE all NEW vehicles sold in Ca. to be ELECTRIC. They are NOT banning ICE vehicles from operating in Ca. They are merely doing what GOOD government SHOULD do........shoving / motivating people toward ACCEPTANCE of NEW and better ideas. They have experts that can read the FUTURE somewhat better than the "man on the street". Sort of like Social Security and the Affordable Care Act, which were GREAT for American older and low-income people, but were initially considered too PROGRESSIVE to be functional. Those are examples of the government LEADING America into a better future.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2178790)

I'm still wrapping my mind around the fact that some of you, who present yourselves as intellectuals - have never heard of Noam Chomsky til this thread.

As Kelly Bundy says, "The mind wobbles."

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2178956)

1 iron :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
maybe someone else had a toy Karl Marx doll