[billethkid]

while there is no comparison to hitting the target....you must also allow for the very positive and impressive impact of a perpetrator hearing a gun shot or a near miss......it does affect his attitude about his now changed environment......yes even if he has much more fire power and capability. Even the bad guys do not like being shot at!!!!

A comment on the 5 or 6 or 8 hour class for weapons permits. There is an expectation that one will either have or as a result of the class seek training. The much more important aspect of the course is all about conveying an understanding of what it means to fire a gun in a public situation. What are the laws and how they apply to a shooter. It opens one's thinking about what happens to a bullet that leaves the gun....where does it go....what if you miss....what if you hit or kill somebody. It defines deadly force.....what constitutes a concealed weapon (especially for those who erroneously think it automatically means a gun!!!!).

There is a lot gained in that 8 hours and very understandable why the actual shooting is the least amount of time allocated. For these reasons I recommend even those who do not intend to get a permit or shoot a gun to attend. Then and ONLY then will you be able to understand what it is all about.

btk

btk

[blueash]

There have been 56 mass shootings in the US since 1989. Not a single time has the shooter been stopped by an armed civilian. ZERO times. We have 310,000,000 guns in the hands of civilians. It has not happened once that that huge cache of weapons has made us safer from a mass killer. Maybe if we just had more guns we'd be safer.

[Biker Dog]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

Florida has a reciprocal agreement with states that issue Concealed Weapon Permits. I'd just keep your Penn. license active or apply for one here.

PA Lic expires July of this year, so I guess I better get started. Where do I apply?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Biker Dog

PA Lic expires July of this year, so I guess I better get started. Where do I apply?

I find google to be a very useful source for that kind of information. Just type in "where to apply for a florida concealed weapons permit" and you will get your answer. But you knew that, right?

sorry, too snarky and I'm not usually like that.

[Mr. Grampi II]

Wow! A lot of different posts from a a lot of different perspectives. I have a 9 MM Glock at my home in Ohio, to protect my family. I take it to my brothers cabin in Michigan once a year to shoot it, then clean it and put it away. I have never brought it to my home in the Villages and do not intend to.

Owning a gun legally (I had a background check) is a right and privilege and I do not want to see it taken away.

My 23 year old daughter works in a women's health clinic in the ghetto of Detroit (the Cass Corridor). The 3rd most dangerous city in the world. She owns a gun but does not carry.

I go to Juarez Mexico, the 2nd most dangerous city in the world twice a month, I do not carry,you cannot even if you wanted to.

Why would I need to carry a gun in the Villages, or Leesburg or Ocala for that matter?

I do not want a guy with a CCW setting next to me in the theater....the Aurora shooter was wear ballistic leggins, chest protector, throat protector and a ballistic helmet.... body armor head to toe. Do you want to be setting next to the guy that fires on him?

Some one mentioned this in the context of insurance, just in case....Do we carry condoms "just in case" some 21 year old we meet in the square wants to hook up with an old guy....

I think the chance of this hookup happening and needing your weapon in or near the Villages have the same probability.

I think the average person (senior or otherwise) carrying a concealed weapon poses much more of a danger to society and the chance of running into him much higher than is running into real trouble and needing a weapon. George Zimmerman is a good example of that.

Own a gun for sport, recreation or home protection but leave it at home. Leave the police work to the police. Who are underpaid in my opinion....

I respect the opinions of all that have posted here and I hope you respect mine. I do not want to see our lawfully obtained guns taken away, I am not anti gun or a bleeding heart, I just do not want to be part of the problem...

Time to put on the flame retardant suit....

[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by Mr. Grampi II

Wow! A lot of different posts from a a lot of different perspectives. I have a 9 MM Glock at my home in Ohio, to protect my family. I take it to my brothers cabin in Michigan once a year to shoot it, then clean it and put it away. I have never brought it to my home in the Villages and do not intend to.

Owning a gun legally (I had a background check) is a right and privilege and I do not want to see it taken away.

My 23 year old daughter works in a women's health clinic in the ghetto of Detroit (the Cass Corridor). The 3rd most dangerous city in the world. She owns a gun but does not carry.

I go to Juarez Mexico, the 2nd most dangerous city in the world twice a month, I do not carry,you cannot even if you wanted to.

Why would I need to carry a gun in the Villages, or Leesburg or Ocala for that matter?

I do not want a guy with a CCW setting next to me in the theater....the Aurora shooter was wear ballistic leggins, chest protector, throat protector and a ballistic helmet.... body armor head to toe. Do you want to be setting next to the guy that fires on him?

Some one mentioned this in the context of insurance, just in case....Do we carry condoms "just in case" some 21 year old we meet in the square wants to hook up with an old guy....

I think the chance of this hookup happening and needing your weapon in or near the Villages have the same probability.

I think the average person (senior or otherwise) carrying a concealed weapon poses much more of a danger to society and the chance of running into him much higher than is running into real trouble and needing a weapon. George Zimmerman is a good example of that.

Own a gun for sport, recreation or home protection but leave it at home. Leave the police work to the police. Who are underpaid in my opinion....

I respect the opinions of all that have posted here and I hope you respect mine. I do not want to see our lawfully obtained guns taken away, I am not anti gun or a bleeding heart, I just do not want to be part of the problem...

Time to put on the flame retardant suit....

A well written, balanced and common sense post.

I think only trouble can come from someone who starts drinking at noon, gets mad at anyone who passes them on a golf cart, fancies himself as John Wayne........and is carrying to boot.

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[buggyone]

Originally Posted by OnTrack

A well written, balanced and common sense post.

I think only trouble can come from someone who starts drinking at noon, gets mad at anyone who passes them on a golf cart, fancies himself as John Wayne........and is carrying to boot.

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Wow, On Track, you really are on track with this posting. Excellent job!

[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by blueash

There have been 56 mass shootings in the US since 1989. Not a single time has the shooter been stopped by an armed civilian. ZERO times. We have 310,000,000 guns in the hands of civilians. It has not happened once that that huge cache of weapons has made us safer from a mass killer. Maybe if we just had more guns we'd be safer.

You aren't going to stop "mass shooters" from getting guns. For some reason they don't care much about laws! Therefore, I'd think the best was to protect those that might be victims of mass shooters by having armed guards! Wish it weren't so but I feel it would be the only possible deterrent!

[Bill32]

Originally Posted by blueash

There have been 56 mass shootings in the US since 1989. Not a single time has the shooter been stopped by an armed civilian. ZERO times. We have 310,000,000 guns in the hands of civilians. It has not happened once that that huge cache of weapons has made us safer from a mass killer. Maybe if we just had more guns we'd be safer.

I haven't researched these 56 " mass shootings" but I would wager most of them were in a " gun free zone " or a location where it's very difficult to get a carry permit, no??


I'm not sure the intent of a CCW holder is to keep YOU safer, certainly not mine or my wifes...........it's for us, no offence intended..

People talk about gun battles.... I'm thinking 3 to 5 feet in front of me and only and hopefully as a deterrent! If I have no other choice and my wife, children or grandchildren are threatened with grave bodily harm I'll shoot!

As far as practicing your weapon only once , obviously you would be better shooting more and practicing ( with weapon unloaded) taking it from your concealed location.

My wife and I enjoy going to the range and shooting. My wife can put 5 holes in a torso target at 20 feet in 10 seconds...

Licensing.........difficult in NYS almost impossible in NYC. I had to give up my NYS licence when I became a Florida resident. My Florida permit isn't valid in NY anywhere.

Carrying in the Villages.........rather than leave it home in the safe its easier to drop it in my pocket sometimes.

Not many people know we carry and It's better that way

if you're a timid person by nature and uneasy around guns we understand, no problem with that. Most permit holders don't announce the fact that they're armed so you wouldn't know.

Hey, try it you might like it......you don't have own you can rent a gun at the range

so much more to say but many peoples minds and feelings are set in stone and won't be changed for others that are interested, like the OP, there is plenty of FACTUAL information around to help you, ask, read, clubs etc.

[buggyone]

A poster replied, "Carrying in the Villages.........rather than leave it home in the safe its easier to drop it in my pocket sometimes."

The poster just said it is easier to carry the pistol in The Villages rather than to put it in his safe. I hope he realizes it is a felony to go into a bar or bar area of a restaurant with that pistol in his pocket. If someone gets an (accidental) look at the concealed pistol in the bar area and calls the police (and I would), that means a felony charge and big time legal fees and trouble.

I cannot understand the mindset of someone who believes it is necessary to carry a pistol in The Villages.

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by buggyone

A poster replied, "Carrying in the Villages.........rather than leave it home in the safe its easier to drop it in my pocket sometimes."

The poster just said it is easier to carry the pistol in The Villages rather than to put it in his safe. I hope he realizes it is a felony to go into a bar or bar area of a restaurant with that pistol in his pocket. If someone gets an (accidental) look at the concealed pistol in the bar area and calls the police (and I would), that means a felony charge and big time legal fees and trouble.

I cannot understand the mindset of someone who believes it is necessary to carry a pistol in The Villages.

A law biding CCW permit owner would not carry in a bar, that would make him/her a criminal and criminals should not be allowed to own guns, it would be your duty to report that person. But, as someone said in a dog thread, she would take her dog anywhere it was legally OK to do so and not care what others thought. I feel the same way about guns. Not too long ago two thugs tried to rob an internet casino and were stopped by a legal CCW permit holder, who knows how that could have turned out if it weren't for him.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by buggyone

A poster replied, "Carrying in the Villages.........rather than leave it home in the safe its easier to drop it in my pocket sometimes."

The poster just said it is easier to carry the pistol in The Villages rather than to put it in his safe. I hope he realizes it is a felony to go into a bar or bar area of a restaurant with that pistol in his pocket. If someone gets an (accidental) look at the concealed pistol in the bar area and calls the police (and I would), that means a felony charge and big time legal fees and trouble.

I cannot understand the mindset of someone who believes it is necessary to carry a pistol in The Villages.

That is not where he said he would go, but a negative (my opinion) illustration created to make a point. No permitted gun owner would do what the illustration suggests!!!!

"accidental look" another illustration to make a point. A permitted gun owner who is carrying does so as the permit implies CONCEALED.

btk

[buggyone]

" But, as someone said in a dog thread, she would take her dog anywhere it was legally OK to do so and not care what others thought. I feel the same way about guns. Not too long ago two thugs tried to rob an internet casino and were stopped by a legal CCW permit holder, who knows how that could have turned out if it weren't for him."

I agree with you if someone takes a gun where it is legal to do so.

The Internet casino incident could have been tragic as the citizen began to shoot at the robbers INSIDE the casino. Luckily, no one was hit - not even a robber. The citizen then continued to fire shots at the robbers even after they had left the casino. They no longer presented a danger to the citizen. He was very lucky not to have been charged with reckless endangerment.

[asianthree]

I thought the post from the OP was just letting people know that he thought the class was very good....does it mean anybody has to take it ....no.....its your choice

[PennBF]

Regardless whether or not one feels a need to carry a weapon and the other does not is really not the important factor. The important point is that the Constitution (Amend#2) provides for the right for every citizen to own a gun and I am totally in favor of the Constitution. The drafter's of the Consititution had a protection of the citizens against "threats" where ever they came from as their focus. To believe we should be left without any form of protection against aggression is against the wishes of the writers of the Constitution. I for one want the right to protect myself and family and to have a gun if I so wish. I do belong to the NRA only as a means to protest those that think we should be restrained from he possibility to protect ourselves. I hope I never have to use one but if necessary I don't want anyone to say i can't protect those that rely on me.: