[buggyone]

Originally Posted by CMANN

Since (people on this board) have avowed to turn in anyone who carried a firearm while having a drink or who accidently let them see his weapon, one would have to be a damn fool to answer your question. Nice try.

Accidently showing a pistol is not a crime. As far as I know, having a drink with a pistol in your possession is not a crime - but I sure am no expert on what is allowed or not allowed if you have a CCW permit. You would have to check with Figmo or someone besides me for that ruling.

[Figmo Bohica]

Go back to my link and read the requirements to obtain a CWL in Florida. There is an age requirement, you have to be over 21 or in the military.

Older folks carying are no more dangerous than younger folks carrying. If you know how to stay out of trouble, then you will have no trouble.

I competitively shoot and out shoot most of the younger shooters that I shoot against. They only beat me if we have to kneel or go prone then get up again and go to another shooting position. Know what really concerns me, old folks driving that don't know what a stop sign is or turn signels are. You know that funny little thing that makes the arrow flash on your dash. They are more dangerous than any one of them carrying a firearm since 99.99% would not know what to do in an emergency if they had to use it. Its the .01% of us that you really need to have on your side, we know what we are doing and when we should do it.

[EdV]

Originally Posted by BobKat1

I meant to ask this question before, but don't think I did.

Are there any age limitations to CCW's, say in Fl specifically?

A concern would be the thought of citizens of retirement age and higher carrying weapons. We all know what happens to reflexes, decision making etc. as we age.

It works just like driving licenses. Little or no restrictions on the upper end, just the lower end.

Then again, the older you get the more likely you'll forget your pants belt instead of your cary piece.

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by momesu

Call me naive about the risk of being attacked while walking the streets of TV, call me a radical left leaning radical, call me out for having my head stuck in the sand, but I am NOT comforted knowing people are out there carrying concealed weapons tucked into the band of their golf shorts.....I do not nor ever will agree that people carrying guns keep us more safe. JMHO! Please don't flame me fro my naivety.

Myth: Guns are not effective in preventing crime against women

Fact: Of the 2,500,000 annual self-defense cases using guns, more than 7.7% (192,500) are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.

Fact: When a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of rape attacks are completed, compared to 32% when unarmed.

Fact: The probability of serious injury from an attack is 2.5 times greater for women offering no resistance than for women resisting with a gun. Men also benefit from using a gun, but the benefits are smaller at 1.4 times more likely to receive a serious injury.

Fact: 28.5% of women have a gun in the house.

Fact: 41.7% of women either own or have rapid access to guns.

Fact: In 1966, the city of Orlando responded to a wave of sexual assaults by offering firearms training classes to women. Rapes dropped by nearly 90% the following year. ABC News, July 17, 2001

This might help you get your head out of the sand.

[EdV]

Figmo, one of the great things about TV and this TOTV Forum is the size of The Villages and the ability to draw members in who have the experience in certain areas to keep things in perspective and state facts instead of opinions. You certainly are a case in point with regard to this.

Obviously this is a sensitive subject here for many who are bewildered by why anyone would feel the need to own a gun, especially here in and around TV. Yet there are others of us who are bewildered by those who don’t understand our right to exercise the Second Amendment. It’s a no win situation either way.

But I do enjoy reading your posts. So keep the info flowing.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by momesu

Call me naive about the risk of being attacked while walking the streets of TV, call me a radical left leaning radical, call me out for having my head stuck in the sand, but I am NOT comforted knowing people are out there carrying concealed weapons tucked into the band of their golf shorts.....I do not nor ever will agree that people carrying guns keep us more safe. JMHO! Please don't flame me fro my naivety.

So you are saying that it would be safer if only the criminals carried guns? There is no way you are going to stop criminals from carrying guns (just ask Bloomberg) so what you are advocating is guns for those who would disobey any anti carry law but not for law abiding citizens? Remind me how does that make us safer? I just do not get it why people fear law abiding citizens carrying guns when it is wel known that criminals do despite the thousands of gun laws out there.

I ask you one question. Would you put a sign on your front lawn stating that your home is gun free? Your answer determines if you feel that having a gun is a deterrent to crime or not. Some of us buy into the concept that the more armed citizens we have the more wary criminals are. Statistics seem to bear this out. Then there is the issue of the second amendment and the Supreme Court upholding that the Police have no obligation to protect the citizen, only society on the whole. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but it has been my experience that those who feel as you do have never been subjected to violence by a criminal. Every day victims of criminal violence say they thought it could never happen where they live or to them. I thought that way once and the feeling of helplessness I felt then will never be repeated. Odds are that you will never need a gun but those odds are not zero. In fact, last year I ran into a young man in a store on 441 in TV with a gun in his pocket. I notice such things having done security for several companies as part of my job.

He was looking around nervously and kept glancing at the lone cashier. He finally put his hand in the pocket with the gun and headed towards the cashier. I stepped out into his path and put my hand on my gun and stared at him. He looked hard at my hand in my pocket, looked at the cashier and then rapidly walked out and into a waiting black Escalade. I knew he had a gun in his pocket because I saw it. He was walking aimlessly through a store filled with several white haired ladies and one male, me. He was nervous and he kept looking back at the cashier. He did make his move when there were no customers at the register. Was he just a young man dressed as a thug looking for home furnishings in a store that caters to an older crowd's taste or was he trying to rob the place right here in TV? Was the Escalade waiting for him outside just there in case he bought something large? I will never know but I do know that when he realized that I was armed he beat a hasty retreat. Since that day last year I now carry a bigger gun when shopping at stores on 441. I honestly feel that my having a gun prevented a robbery and perhaps worse. Then there was the time in my Company's parking lot where three homeless guys holding pipes surrounded me and I merely showed them my gun and they left and said they were sorry. Once I came home to find a "worker" in my walled in Villa. He said he just wanted water from my hose. I told him that there was a hose right in front of the house where he did not have to open a gate to get to it. I now lock my gate. Last year there was a deranged gent openly carrying his gun in Coloney Plaza and he sounded like he had mental problems. Glad that I had my gun in TV that day also. Just like the many people who install burglar alarms after they are robbed, many carry guns after they have an encounter with a criminal. Funny how their beliefs change so rapidly.

Not beating up on you as you may do as you please but just as I do not try to change laws to coincide with my religious beliefs no not advocate that anyone follow your gun beliefs. Despite your views, most of s who feel a duty to protect ourselves and those we love, would probably use their guns to protect your life too, unless you ask us not to at the time.

What I have learned from life is that trouble seems occur where you do not expect it because when you do you are more on your guard. Also call your local Sheriff and inquire about the number of reported home burglaries in TV, most attributed to renters and visitors. Then after you hear the numbers imagine coming home unexpectedly and surprising a desperate burglar in your home. He has a knife and you have your....

[Figmo Bohica]

Vinny, I have to ask, do you do any training under stress? How much range time to you log monthly, yearly or weekly? How is your accuracy under stress, while moving? I would welcome you to come shoot with us anytime you have time. Just visit our website for date and time Eustis Gun Club - IDPA

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by Posh 08

If your instructor tells you that you should purchase semi automatic handgun find another instructor that will talk to you about a revolver.

I agree. I've never seen a semi-auto that has the reliability of a revolver. Especially in small calibers which to me is anything under 40 cal. Semi-auto's do have the advantage of being narrower and easier to carry.

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

I agree. I've never seen a semi-auto that has the reliability of a revolver. Especially in small calibers which to me is anything under 40 cal. Semi-auto's do have the advantage of being narrower and easier to carry.

I agree with you with the following exception. If you have the ability to master an automatic which I must say your average home defense person probably does not nor does your average senior citizen female shooter. That being said if you must have a semiautomatic pistol absolutely must have one I would only consider a Glock. Unbelievably reliable. I love the 1911 45 caliber automatic however in this day and age is to play shooters. Not for shooters whose life will depend on it.

Just my opinion, developed from 50 years of packing.

When I carry, I carry a revolver.

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by CMANN

I agree with you with the following exception. If you have the ability to master an automatic which I must say your average home defense person probably does not nor does your average senior citizen female shooter. That being said if you must have a semiautomatic pistol absolutely must have one I would only consider a Glock. Unbelievably reliable. I love the 1911 45 caliber automatic however in this day and age is to play shooters. Not for shooters whose life will depend on it.

Just my opinion, developed from 50 years of packing.

When I carry, I carry a revolver.

I have carried both a wheel gun (revolver) and a 1911. I perfer the 1911 (semi-auto 45 ACP) to a wheel gun. Faster reloads, more rounds, etc., and I handle it excellently, but that is just me, you have to find what you can shoot best and what works best for you.

If you buy a cheap revolver or semi-auto you are buying junk. Neither would I bet my live on. If you must have a firearm right now, don't waste your money on junk, save up and get a good one. All my 1911s are top of the line and I have never had a problem with any of them using commerical ammo. Sometimes my reloads don't work so well, because of a reduced powder charge. It happens when you reload. So I deal with it.

Living here in The Villages, crowded next to lots of houses, the very best home defense weapon is a shotgun using 7 1/2 or 8 shot. You really don't want to miss your target and punch holes through four or five walls. Once you launch a bullet it is your responsibility until it stop moving and hopefully not in your neighbor who will be really upset with you.

Ladies, lots of them can not cycle and charge a semi-auto due to upper body strength, so a revolver is their best choice. Also all you guys who think that the light weight hammerless +P .38 is just the thing for that lovely lady in your life are making a big mistake. Lot of recoil and after a few rounds she won't want to shoot it anymore. If she is not thinking of carrying concealed and only using it for home defense, get a .357 revolver. When you are at the range, shoot .38 in it, they are the same except the .357 is 1/10 inch longer so that it will not fit in a .38. Load it up with .357 for home defense, she will never feel the recoil in a stress situation and has all the stopping powder that she needs, plus the pleasure of practicing with cheaper ammo and way less recoil.

One thing about stopping power. I don't care of you are using a 500 S&W hand cannon or a .17 HR2. If you can't hit your target there is NO stopping power. A slow hit is twice as effective as a fast miss.

If you decide to obtain a firearm for home protect or concealed carry, get some training, get some more training and then plan on going to the range at least 4 times a years, better yet, join a shooting club and practice at least once a month. Your life and the life of your loved one just might depend on it.

In closing, your best defense is Deterence and Avoidance. Even with FL "Stand Your Ground Law" avoiding having to use deadly force will save you lots of money, grief and keep you safe. Your best self defense weapon is your cell phone. So if you can safely retreat from a deadly situation, do so, call the police, let them handle the situation, that is what we pay them for.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by momesu

Call me naive about the risk of being attacked while walking the streets of TV, call me a radical left leaning radical, call me out for having my head stuck in the sand, but I am NOT comforted knowing people are out there carrying concealed weapons tucked into the band of their golf shorts.....I do not nor ever will agree that people carrying guns keep us more safe. JMHO! Please don't flame me fro my naivety.

you are being naive. While most stores in TV are not situated for quick getaways, the stores on 441 definitely are. armed robberies are crimes of opportunity. If you have watched the news lately you can't miss the fact that simple problems are being answered more and more by thugs with guns, don't wear blinders.

[looneycat]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Both posters are correct. You need way more training to run a semi-auto than a revolver. Not to say that ladies can not shoot semi's but a lot of ladies do not have the upper body strength to rack a semi. Lot's do, but lot's don't. A revolver is my first choice for a lady home defense firearm. I must add that I have trained lots of ladies to handle and fire a semi and some have even went on to place in IDPA competition.

As for ranges, Eustis Gun Club is the best in the area. $187 a year and you have pistol berms, a 25 and 50 yard pistol range, a 200 meter and 100 yard rifle range, and all the shotgun sports, 5 stand, sporting clays, trap and skeet.

There is a shooting club in the Villages, two of them in fact. The Trap and Skeet Club meets on the third Wednesday of each month at Saddlebrook RC, at 7 PM and the Village Straight Shooters at Sea Breeze on the third Thursday of each month at 6 PM.

If you are a CWL holder or want to learn how to safely handle and shoot your pistol, please join us at the Straight Shooters. We have two matchs a month during the week, a fun competition and then some shooting instructions all for free. There is a target and range fee of $15 per shoot. The yearly dues for the Straight Shooters is $20 a year and that covers our insurance.

If you need more information about the Straight Shooters they have a website, URL:
http:The Villages Straight Shooters Club * - Home Give us a lookover.

is the club meeting in July? I'm very interested.

[Down Sized]

I have a ccw from Mo. When I change residence to Fl. What do I need to do?

[momesu]

Originally Posted by looneycat

you are being naive. While most stores in TV are not situated for quick getaways, the stores on 441 definitely are. armed robberies are crimes of opportunity. If you have watched the news lately you can't miss the fact that simple problems are being answered more and more by thugs with guns, don't wear blinders.

I'm sorry but I will never be comfortable with people either good or bad carrying guns.....I just don;t like guns and what they do to people!

[Posh 08]

Originally Posted by momesu

I'm sorry but I will never be comfortable with people either good or bad carrying guns.....I just don;t like guns and what they do to people!

what about cops carrying?