[Figmo Bohica]

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[buggyone]

Originally Posted by CMANN

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Maybe you should ask Rodriguez or Zimmerman what they think of that. Rodrigues just got sentenced to 40 years in prison for "standing his ground" and Zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder for "standing his ground".

Neither of these men will be enjoying life again - just for having a gun while they were "standing their ground".

[gego3650]

If the bar serves food you are clear. Those would want home defense look at th Bond Arms Texas Defender. It loads either 410 shotgun or .45 and is a small 2 barrel. I have one but have not shot it yet. There is a free F&W range east hwy 40 east of Ocala in the forest. Not much but a good place to try things out.

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Maybe you should ask Rodriguez or Zimmerman what they think of that. Rodrigues just got sentenced to 40 years in prison for "standing his ground" and Zimmerman is charged with 2nd degree murder for "standing his ground".

Neither of these men will be enjoying life again - just for having a gun while they were "standing their ground".

The gentleman in Texas was in the wrong. He was the aggressor, he should have never went over to the neighbors property, call the police that is what they get paid for.

As for Zimmerman, no comment until all the evidence is presented. Until that time no one knows who is or was in the right. If Zimmerman was the aggressor he should be charged, which he has been and if found guilty take the punishment, if it is proven that Martin was the aggressor when Zimmerman was returning to his truck then Martin was the aggressor, but who knows until all the evidence is presented. So until that time no guesses as to who is or was right.

Does that answer you question Buggyone?

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

The gentleman in Texas was in the wrong. He was the aggressor, he should have never went over to the neighbors property, call the police that is what they get paid for.

As for Zimmerman, no comment until all the evidence is presented. Until that time no one knows who is or was in the right. If Zimmerman was the aggressor he should be charged, which he has been and if found guilty take the punishment, if it is proven that Martin was the aggressor when Zimmerman was returning to his truck then Martin was the aggressor, but who knows until all the evidence is presented. So until that time no guesses as to who is or was right.

Does that answer you question Buggyone?

Hey Figmo,

I did not ask a question. I also did not make any comment as to whether or not I feel Zimmerman is guilty or not. I said that Zimmerman or Rodriguez will enjoy life anymore.

Reason: Rodriguez is in prison for 20 years before being eligible for parole. Zimmerman faces that same thing but even if he is found not guilty, he will still be villified by some people and most likely will have to move, change his name, etc. and keep having to look over his shoulder for people who may want to do him harm. Also, he will have the knowledge forever that he killed a human. That will play havoc psychologically - ask Ladydoc for her comments on that, Figmo.

[Cedwards38]

News media? Are you kidding me? It doesn't exist any more. It's all entertainment now. Sensationalize, and squeeze everything in life for everything that will cause us to tune in like watching a soap opera (OJ, Casey Anthony, the recent incident in Florida), and get the ratings. OK, rants over. Thanks for listening.

[Figmo Bohica]

[QUOTE=buggyone;513223]Hey Figmo, he will have the knowledge forever that he killed a human. [QUOTE]

Buggyone, lots of folks have killed a human. It never goes away and you hope that it never has to happen again. Been there, done that, don't want to do it again, ever. But let me assure you that will never stop me from protecting my life or the life of my loved ones, even yours if it comes to that. They come first. Would I if I had to, yes, would I ever want to, no, if there was away to avoid this type of incident. Like I tell everyone that I have ever given my concealed carry class to, your best weapon of protection is your cell phone, then avoidance and deterrence. If a all possible, retreat, call the police, let the police handle the situation, that is what we pay them for.

Q. WHAT IF I SEE A CRIME BEING COMMITTED?
A. A license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm does not make you a free-lance policeman. But, as stated earlier, deadly force is justified if you are trying to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. The use of deadly force must be absolutely necessary to prevent the crime. Also, if the criminal runs away, you cannot use deadly force to stop him, because you would no longer be "preventing" a crime. If use of deadly force is not necessary, or you use deadly force after the crime has stopped, you could be convicted of manslaughter.

And most importantly on the protection of another:

Q. WHEN CAN I USE DEADLY FORCE IN THE DEFENSE OF ANOTHER PERSON?
A. If you see someone who is being attacked, you can use deadly force to defend him/her if the circumstances would justify that person’s use of deadly force in his/her own defense. In other words, you "stand in the shoes" of the person being attacked.