[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by FromDC

That's great all you Tesla owners have a garage to charge you car.

If you have a condo/apt and park in a large parking lot, maybe you will have a few charging stations. Let's see...set your alarm in the middle of the night to charge and set your alarm in the middle of the night to disconnect. Hopefully, you were able to charge that night. Remember everyone in the complex is thinking the same thing.

If you have a condo/apt and park on the city street, you will need to figure out when to charge. Maybe leaving an extra hour to get to work or do errands will do.

In these cases, you need to consider the COST of your time to deal with the charging hassle. I will never let my car rule my free time.

So you never go to a gas station to fill your ICE car?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Comparing the depreciation to a BMW or Jag only shows what a poor investment these cars are. And that's with a taxpayer funded $7,500 gift.

Why do wealthy people need to be subsidized to buy luxury cars that depreciate steeply? Hmmm?

If these cars make economic sense then let the owners finance their purchases.

Well, take another example. A police department bought one to test the idea. The chief said a year later than it paid for itself in less than a year compared to the standard ICE cruiser and they had plans to immediately buy more.

That is a pretty harsh real-life example.

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I have heard enough to decide that I don't want to buy an electric car. But, for me, the biggest issue is that, even with a fast charging time, there is no guarantee that you won't need to wait in line to plug in.

We travel 1325 miles one way twice per year. You know what you can do with electric cars don't you?

[spd2918]

Nobody can answer why are taxpayers subsidizing wealthy people's luxury car purchases?

[FromDC]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

So you never go to a gas station to fill your ICE car?

Yep. I go to the gas station, but I don't haveto set my alarm or look at an app to see if it's available!!

[LateBoomer]

I think at this point, until recharging stations are everywhere and it can be done in the same time it takes to gas up, instead of hours, I think I'll pass. a nice car to have for local trips I'm sure, but at this point wouldn't make a lot of sense to me.

[biker1]

Many EVs have depreciation issues. Teslas do not. Choose wisely.

Tesla Model 3 Three-Year Depreciation Is 10%: EV Industry Average Is 52%

Originally Posted by spd2918

Comparing the depreciation to a BMW or Jag only shows what a poor investment these cars are. And that's with a taxpayer funded $7,500 gift.

Why do wealthy people need to be subsidized to buy luxury cars that depreciate steeply? Hmmm?

If these cars make economic sense then let the owners finance their purchases.

[spd2918]

Originally Posted by biker1

Many EVs have depreciation issues. Teslas do not. Choose wisely.

Tesla Model 3 Three-Year Depreciation Is 10%: EV Industry Average Is 52%

Not according to the real world example set in this thread. He lost 4 times that amount.

Again, if these are such a deal why are my tax dollars needed for the purchases? Buy your luxury car with your own money.

[biker1]

The Government is in the business of choosing winners and losers. You can either go with the flow or complain. Why do you think today is any different than the past? BTW, the average new car price is about $40K. There are several EVs that are available for that price so it would be wrong to characterize all EVs as "wealthy people's luxury car purchases". EVs from Tesla, the market leader, are not subsidized anymore - the subsidy ran out.

Originally Posted by spd2918

Nobody can answer why are taxpayers subsidizing wealthy people's luxury car purchases?

[biker1]

That was one cherry picked example. Did you read the reference I provided? Model 3s, which the reference I provided was primarily focused on, are better than Model X and Model S with respect to depreciation. Who said they were a "deal"? And I will take advantage of any and all tax breaks that the Government sees fit to provide me, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by spd2918

Not according to the real world example set in this thread. He lost 4 times that amount.

Again, if these are such a deal why are my tax dollars needed for the purchases? Buy your luxury car with your own money.

[BigSteph]

I don't have anything against electric cars.

I desperately wanted to support electric when buying a golf cart, but ultimately went with gas powered (for all the reasons endlessly debated before).

I keep vehicles for a long time. I was uncomfortable with the idea of replacing batteries (the expense, the warranty, etc.). Most of this is the curse of being middle class. If I had more resources, I would be all over these new electric vehicles.

[Brad-tv]

It seems there is a love hate relationship with Tesla/ EVs
They’re not for everyone and trying to convince EV haters is a waste of time. I have never spoken to a Tesla owner who is not in love with the car and looks forward to driving it everyday. EVs are the way of the future and all OEMS are going that way in the not too distant future.

Tesla is the best EV out there hands down no other car comes close and every day and every update the car gets better!

[HogPilot]

[B][B

Originally Posted by BostonRich

And they look like a frog!

Went to Disney the other day. There were five charging stations and all were occupied. What if you are the sixth Tesla?

I was wondering about that too. Unless there is a disincentive for remaining in the spot after charging is complete (i.e. added fee for continuing to park), this will continue to happen. Same at a hotel, parking garage etc. Otherwise these fully charged vehicles are taking a space that another electric vehicle might otherwise use.

Additionally, I have seen non electric vehicles parking in charging spaces simply because its closer to the hotel entrance. In front of the sign that indicates "parking for EV's".

Another consideration: Unless this this infrastructure bill has provisions for high speed charging either plug-in or magnetic like some buses, it will be a while before you can convince the public to go electric. Charging will have to be equivalent to about the time it takes to fill the gas tank. The technology is there.

What about charging stations at rest stops & all gas stations too?

[Garywt]

Not that I would ever buy one but to leave MA to take the 20 hour drive down, how much longer would it take. Also, no different than an electric golf cart, if the batteries die and you are not near a charger, what do you do. Come 2 AM how hard is it to find a charger. I will stay with gas.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by spd2918

Not according to the real world example set in this thread. He lost 4 times that amount.

Again, if these are such a deal why are my tax dollars needed for the purchases? Buy your luxury car with your own money.

His was not a model 3, but you hat Telsas we got it. Don't buy one, please.