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Old 04-14-2023, 09:47 PM
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A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
I have no idea what you are talking about so you can keep your penny.
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Old 04-14-2023, 10:27 PM
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When you enter the Military you sign your life away when taking pledge
Simply put “ a note from mommy can't help you any longer”
The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted):
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
The UCMJ is made up of 146 articles that cover a wide range of offenses and punishments. Some of the more common offenses covered by the UCMJ include adultery, assault, disobeying orders, and desertion. A number of articles also deal with specific offenses such as espionage and treason. Each violation has a corresponding punishment, ranging from a minor reprimand to more serious consequences. UCMJ is posted at every military base and is read and explained during boot camp orientation! I remember thinking auh Sh#t what did I get myself into.

The 10 commandments don't even come close.
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Old 04-15-2023, 05:07 AM
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Believe the FBI , THE NEWS MEDIA, our government?
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Old 04-15-2023, 05:16 AM
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do you ever remembering a stupid college age kid? I do, and did some stupid things which may have gotten me killed, or other poor outcomes. . . at 21 you aren't much more than a big teenager, and in today's world, big teenagers still have small brains. . and big egos. . . . and issues of independence acceptance, etc. .

Its more about who has clearance and vetting process and proper network/system access. . I blame mgmt not the big teenager. .

starting July as a former finance guy
I can't go along with that line of thinking. He signed an agreement for his top-secret clearance designation acknowledging that any divulgence of secret information could result in severe consequences. He may be young and immature, but that doesn't excuse his actions. In WWII there was a saying that was posted at just about every location, and I mean every location - buildings, telephone poles, you name it "Loose Lips Sink Ships" We don't have a clue what damage has been done by his "immaturity" but our credibility with other countries has been severely damaged.
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Old 04-15-2023, 05:29 AM
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The secrets, no matter what level, should be protected at the source. Our government seems to have a problem knowing where our secret documents are and who is reading them!
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Old 04-15-2023, 05:33 AM
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Let's add some clarity. This gentleman was in the Massachusetts Air National Guard. That means he was actually on military duty only one weekend a month +2 weeks during the summer. However, he was also a civilian employee of the National Guard. His specialty was cyber security. Back when I was in the guard, it was standard for you to wear your military uniform during the week even though technically you were a civilian. If you committed any violation of law during this time you were subject to civilian law, not the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).
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Old 04-15-2023, 05:36 AM
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do you ever remembering a stupid college age kid? I do, and did some stupid things which may have gotten me killed, or other poor outcomes. . . At 21 you aren't much more than a big teenager, and in today's world, big teenagers still have small brains. . And big egos. . . . And issues of independence acceptance, etc. .

Its more about who has clearance and vetting process and proper network/system access. . I blame mgmt not the big teenager. .

Starting july as a former finance guy
so a fun loving gamer lights the match and the political fire storm will end the careers of many air force officers and ultimately the secretary of defense. The congressional committees, investigations, media will be out for blood. This fun loving gamer exposed our surveillance capabilities for our adversaries to counter and evade. Putin can now pound the table with proof that we have american assets inside ukraine and threathen us some more with his nuclear weaponry.
The gamer will get his day in court. If convicted he is a traitor.
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A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that affects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
What did President Kennedy say about secrets , getting rid of the. CIA and dark forces in our government ( deep state , “ secrets in an open and free society are repugnant “
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Whether he faces a federal court or a military court marshal depends on where and when he obtain the information. I believe he is a low level government employee but no mention of his specialty in the Air National Guard. If it was through his government job that he obtained and released the classified documents then the Air Guard would not have jurisdiction. If he obtained the information while doing his monthly or summer training sessions then the Air Guard would have authority.
If he is convicted by a federal court, then he will be discharged from military through administrative actions or a court martial.
His specialty was military intelligence!
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A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
Too much is classified and too many have access to classified items. Still, mishandling of classified items is criminal, and the Bozo should be vigorously prosecuted and punished.
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Interesting that he is not being Court Marshalled, but going fhrough the civilian court system.
It is still very early in this process. In fact, he could be tried in both Federal court, and in a military proceeding. The "double jeopardy" clause in the Constitution does not apply when dealing with different sovereigns. A civil court proceeding and a military court marshall are different sovereigns.
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This “leak”. Identified and arrested quickly.

The Supreme Court leak from many months ago….. nothing.
Selective Justice. And the Media follows the rules ….. shhhh

State of our country. Sad.
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Old 04-15-2023, 07:33 AM
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Something very fishy about this whole thing.
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Old 04-15-2023, 07:36 AM
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Too much is classified and too many have access to classified items. Still, mishandling of classified items is criminal, and the Bozo should be vigorously prosecuted and punished.
Agree. And traitors should get the ultimate penalty
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Old 04-15-2023, 07:41 AM
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A penny for your thoughts on the latest "leak" of classified intelligence information that effects our allies as well as us ! What do you think of the explanation that's it's actually a low ranking air force reserve member, more focused on on line gaming with teens than with his heavy responsibility by having access to our most sensitive intel ? A paid spy ? An immature air force member with "over his head" responsibilities ? A low lying fruit scapegoat for something even more complicated and covert than we can imagine ?
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