[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Actually, Pfizer is not FDA approve. Correct, the natural antibody is far more effective than the vax. Lot of Fake news from our government, Fauci, FDA and CDC. Do the research, but they make it hard to find.

Yep, Fauci, the FDA, the CDC, and the government are all wrong or "lying", but YOUR "research" is the truth. Hmmmmm.....

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Malsua

$700 not $7 for 5 days of treatment.

It also has fewer modes of action, mainly in that Merck's new offering is only a protease inhibitor similar to IVM. The difference is that IVM competitively binds to the spike protein as well and that is probably why IVM works so well as prophylaxis. There are also about 7 lesser methods that IVM uses, like the Importin alpha and beta channels but hey, at least they aren't using Merck's new offering in horses. Merckmectin also has about half the efficacy, but at least now all the pharma shills will be touting it to the skies, so a win is a win I guess.

Price was per pill.

[Jacob85]

Pfizer immunity does go down after 6 months and boosters have been approved for people over 65. I just was on a flight yesterday and it was good they are still taking this virus seriously by the mask mandates

[Waltdisney4life]

Numbers are coming way down because of the vaccination not because of the masks your paper mask or cloth mask does not stop vapors!!!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

So, is it a truck at Magnolia Ave or the store front? If both, is the truck somewhere else? Salivating food glands want to know!

The truck is in the parking lot behind the restaurant. There is a folding stand-up sign pointing to it...

They share kitchen space with the restaurant, using their freezer/refrigerator space and they cover for each other at times...

[bp243]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

There was just a segment on Sunday Morning on television this morning on how Facebook is spreading misinformation
about everything, especially the virus and how people believe Facebook is the bible for all information.

If you quote Facebook for information, please know that you have missed an opportunity to think critically.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I blame the Snowbirds!

Definitely the snowbirds, who are undoubtedly the ones who allow their dogs to urinate on other peoples lawns.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Jacob85

Pfizer immunity does go down after 6 months and boosters have been approved for people over 65. I just was on a flight yesterday and it was good they are still taking this virus seriously by the mask mandates

It would be better if they took this virus seriously by mandating vaccinations to fly, and closed the middle seat to at least have some social distancing. Wearing a mask 2 feet away from the face of an unvaccinated person who is not wearing their mask properly and coughing/sneezing around it for 5 hours is a joke.

[Neils]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Not another post on herd immunity I hope. I read that immunity for viruses only lasts 3-9months, that's why they are considered seasonal viruses and require an annual vaccination or booster. Essentially for the "herd" to achieve immunity, 70% of the population would have to be infected every 9 months, making it impossible to achieve immunity through widespread transmission. Also, as we all should know, this particular virus is changing constantly, a lot is not known, and the scientists are learning as time goes on. As new information is gleaned, so do the recommended health practices change and adapt. At this point in time, we do know the vaccinations and masking are the only way we control the pandemic and minimize deaths. Those who think they can do their own thing and continue to be unvaccinated and expose others to the potentially deadly disease are going to to have to learn to adapt. They either follow the health rules set by their community and do what is best for society or face the consequences. They have a choice.

Correct. Those in communist led countries must follow the mandates or face the consequences.

[lennythenet]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

Some Vaccines Last a Lifetime. Here’s Why Covid-19 Shots Don’t. - WSJ

Why don’t Covid-19 vaccinations last longer?

Measles shots are good for life, chickenpox immunizations protect for 10 to 20 years, and tetanus jabs last a decade or more. But U.S. officials are weighing whether to authorize Covid-19 boosters for vaccinated adults as soon as six months after the initial inoculation.

The goal of a vaccine is to provide the protection afforded by natural infection, but without the risk of serious illness or death.

“A really good vaccine makes it so someone does not get infected even if they are exposed to the virus,” said Rustom Antia, a biology professor at Emory University who studies immune responses. “But not all vaccines are ideal.”

The three tiers of defense, he said, include full protection against infection and transmission; protection against serious illness and transmission; or protection against serious illness only.

The effectiveness depends on the magnitude of the immune response a vaccine induces, how fast the resulting antibodies decay, whether the virus or bacteria tend to mutate, and the location of the infection.

The threshold of protection is the level of immunity that’s sufficient to keep from getting sick. For every bug, it’s different, and even how it’s determined varies.

Windows of immunity for selected vaccines


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“Basically, it’s levels of antibodies or neutralizing antibodies per milliliter of blood,” said Mark Slifka, a professor at Oregon Health & Science University.

(T-cells also contribute to protection, but antibodies are easier to measure.)

A threshold 0.01 international units per milliliter was confirmed for tetanus in 1942 when a pair of German researchers intentionally exposed themselves to the toxin to test the findings of previous animal studies.

“One of them gave himself two lethal doses of tetanus in his thigh, and monitored how well it went,” Dr. Slifka said. “His co-author did three lethal doses.”

Neither got sick.

A threshold for measles was pinned down in 1985 after a college dorm was exposed to the disease shortly after a blood drive. Researchers checked antibody concentrations in the students’ blood donations and identified 0.02 international units per milliliter as the level needed to prevent infection.

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Covid Vaccine Efficacy Numbers, Explained
Covid Vaccine Efficacy Numbers, Explained
Recent studies have shown that the effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccines is decreasing, though experts say the shots still work well. WSJ explains what the numbers mean and why they don’t tell the full story. Photo illustration: Jacob Reynolds/WSJ
With these diseases, the magnitudes of response to the vaccines combined with the antibodies’ rates of decay produce durable immune responses: Measles antibodies decay slowly. Tetanus antibodies decay more quickly, but the vaccine causes the body to produce far more than it needs, offsetting the decline.

“We’re fortunate with tetanus, diphtheria, measles and vaccinia,” Dr. Slifka said. “We have identified what the threshold of protection is. You track antibody decline over time, and if you know the threshold of protection, you can calculate durability of protection. With Covid, we don’t know.”

Historically, the most effective vaccines have used replicating viruses, which essentially elicit lifelong immunity.

Measles and chickenpox vaccines use replicating viruses.

Non-replicating vaccines and protein-based vaccines (such as the one for tetanus) don’t last as long, but their effectiveness can be enhanced with the addition of an adjuvant—a substance that enhances the magnitude of the response.

Tetanus and hepatitis A vaccines use an adjuvant.

Good info, thank you.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Waltdisney4life

Numbers are coming way down because of the vaccination not because of the masks your paper mask or cloth mask does not stop vapors!!!

But you will never convince those that STILL worship at the altar of the holy mask (or is that holey?) Masks still have some use, like an airplane that crams passengers in like sardines, but overall not all that useful any more (unless you wear one when driving alone in your car, in which case you are protected from all manner of evil, including alien abduction (the aliens are looking for intelligent life, so they pass on that person)

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But you will never convince those that STILL worship at the altar of the holy mask (or is that holey?) Masks still have some use, like an airplane that crams passengers in like sardines, but overall not all that useful any more (unless you wear one when driving alone in your car, in which case you are protected from all manner of evil, including alien abduction (the aliens are looking for intelligent life, so they pass on that person)

Or picking up dog poop........

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Here's what I think I know.
1 - Research can be as simple as finding a trusted source(s) that turns out to be correct time after time.
2 - Masks don't work.
3 - The vaccines have a limited shelf life. Boosters forever.
4 - Vaccines aren't really vaccines but rather good therapeutics. If you get sick, it shouldn't be too bad.
5 - The vaccinated are getting sick.
6 - If you get sick, immediately seek an monoclonal antibody treatment.
7 - Natural immunity is better and longer lasting than vaccine.
8 - Just a prediction here, Merck's new drug will be eerily similar to Merck's Ivermectin. $7 vs. $0.50.

That's what I think I know.

Excellent post. You hit all of the points. Thank You.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yep, Fauci, the FDA, the CDC, and the government are all wrong or "lying", but YOUR "research" is the truth. Hmmmmm.....

You are so right. It is much better to let the government think for you. They care. I just hate when people think for themselves. They are selfish, and probably racist too.

[Gettingoutofdodge]

N95 masks are the only masks that protect you and they are uncomfortable and hard to breathe in.
There is not enough data to give us long term results of the efficacy or safety of the vaccine.
I had the Moderna Vaccine and the side effects were no picnic. I had a Covid19 immunity test a few weeks ago. My immunity was still high. A statement under the results say something like having immunity does not mean your immune. So what is the new version of immunity?

My Dr. said do a immunity test every 3 months. If it’s high, no booster needed. I wear an n95 mask in a place it makes sense to. Mostly I go unmasked.

Do what you feel comfortable with.