[golfnut]

if i fly in the future glad to know you're not...gn

[bkcunningham1]

I don't understand how people can be so glib about watching their freedoms being taken away before their very eyes.

I guess responses to this thread goes to answer how so many of our liberties and freedom have been taken away. It is done by gradual attrition. I know in my life time I never expected to see a judge overrule the vote of the people. Do you suppose people at one time never dreamed something like the Federal Reserve would be created?

Did you ever imagine there would be a Constitution Free Zone, a 100-mile band around the coast and borders of Mexico and Canada where no constitutional freedom applies?

Just a few short years ago, I would have argued that the government would never take over businesses in America or that we would never be forced to buy insurance. Sharia Law being upheld in any of our courts? Not a chance. Guess again.

I don't care if this TSA incident happened six months ago or six days ago. To one person or to 100. It is wrong.

Now we just stand there while we are searched and our belongings are seized all in the name of safety.

[golfnut]

bk, when were you searched and your belongings seized...gn

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I don't understand how people can be so glib about watching their freedoms being taken away before their very eyes.

I guess responses to this thread goes to answer how so many of our liberties and freedom have been taken away. It is done by gradual attrition. I know in my life time I never expected to see a judge overrule the vote of the people. Do you suppose people at one time never dreamed something like the Federal Reserve would be created?

Did you ever imagine there would be a Constitution Free Zone, a 100-mile band around the coast and borders of Mexico and Canada where no constitutional freedom applies?

Just a few short years ago, I would have argued that the government would never take over businesses in America or that we would never be forced to buy insurance. Sharia Law being upheld in any of our courts? Not a chance. Guess again.

I don't care if this TSA incident happened six months ago or six days ago. To one person or to 100. It is wrong.

Now we just stand there while we are searched and our belongings are seized all in the name of safety.

Thank you BK; I thought I was in the Twilight Zone with some of the reactions to the articles I've posted here.

I'm gratified for your serious response to a serious issue.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by golfnut

bk, when were you searched and your belongings seized...gn

golfnut, I was flying into Boston with my husband headed to Woonsocket, RI, about two years ago. At the first security check point, the TSA agent looked at my ID and boarding pass and said, "Today is your lucky day." I flashed him a big ole' smile and said, "Really?"

He said yes ma'me and before I knew it a woman with rubber gloves was escourting me to a special area. She said my ticket was selected at random. They were very matter-of-fact. I was very polite. They weren't rude or anything like that. I was in shock to be honest.

They let my husband follow me around. He half-jokingly said at the time that he loved it because after the check we went through a busy area with no more lines. The funny thing, as it was happening and my husband said we were together and didn't want to get separated, I handed him my carry-on.

Nobody batted an eye. I did it without thinking because I was taking off my coat.

I was put into the scanner and into a drug testing air poofing thing. I was also physically searched. The only belonging that was taken was a bic lighter I forgot was in my purse.

I was very nervous and very cooperative. I said then that I was happy to do anything in the name of protecting our country. Now, I'm seeing things differently with the manner the government is "protecting" us.

My father-in-law just flew to Florida from Virginia during Thanksgiving. Like many people, he said it went smoothly and it is all media-hype. His container of shaving cream was too big and was tossed.

[golfnut]

imo, u may still be in the twz, but thats jmo, not bk's...gn

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by golfnut

imo, u may still be in the twz, but thats jmo, not bk's...gn

Sorry about your closed mind on this subject. I've done all I could.

[golfnut]

and that's the best u could do....gn

[Barefoot]

I think all of us would be uncomfortable with searches that involve unnecessary patting and groping. Hopefully the number of TSA personnel abusing their power is small, and they will be fired.

However, if body searches are required to eliminate terrorists and make the skies safe for flying, then IMHO, it's a necessary evil.

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I think all of us would be uncomfortable with searches that involve unnecessary patting and groping. Hopefully the number of TSA personnel abusing their power is small, and they will be fired.

However, if body searches are required to eliminate terrorists and make the skies safe for flying, then IMHO, it's a necessary evil.

"if they are required" is the crux of the matter, isn't it?

You believe they are? You believe that rape victims have to be subjected to this in the name of "security"?

These procedures are already obsolete, so what's the point?

[bkcunningham1]

Watch this video. This is where commonsense needs to come into the picture.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/149217

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by golfnut

WOW, what does rape have to do with this thread, you are waaaaaaay out there richielyin, where are the admins when we need them...gn

You didn't read the article. It was the first hand experience of a rape victim at the hands of a male TSA employee.

Defaming me make you look like a smuck.

[bkcunningham1]

Originally Posted by golfnut

WOW, what does rape have to do with this thread, you are waaaaaaay out there richielyin, where are the admins when we need them...gn

What he means golfnut is to use a little emphathy and to think about how someone who had been raped would feel being subjected to a body search by a stranger. Or how about someone who had been molested and didn't like to be touched by strangers.

How about the guy with the urine bag thing (I can't remember what it's called) who tried, unsucessfully, to tell the TSA agent he had a medical problem and needed to tell him about the issue.

The TSA agent ended up pushing the bag and urine went everywhere on the man. He had to fly with his own urine all over himself. Commonsense could have solved this.

[golfnut]

the term is schmuck, get a clue..start another thread on this subject, you've got three going already.

we are talking about a few isolated incidents here, the procedures in place are to protect 100,000+ people who fly every day...gn

[Bucco]

This thread is fascinating to me.

I recall a few years ago all the flap about the wiretapping by the NSA and all the emotional calls about how we were losing our freedoms despite the facts of the issue.

Now this....something tells me this is pretty much become a political issue. One side is quick to condemn the NSA wiretapping and declare the end of all of our rights and one side says it is necessary.

Now, the side that defended the wiretaps is saying it is the end of our rights, and those that were appalled by the NSA wiretaps are saying it is necessary.

What a world we live in....if you read some of the posts they are so like, almost duplicates of what was said in the political forum to make political points.

I dont know what is right or wrong since I do not have all the information, but I said when folks were complaining how they were losing all their rights with the wiretapping (continued by the current IN's despite the anger) that the media is twisting all of us into a ball and have us chasing our tails. It now seems that they, the media, control what is reported and how and we all react to it with no private investigation.

There were and will be over reaches with the wiretapping and there will be overreach with the TSA.

Now that I have angered both sides........